JD 2240: Rebuilding my 3PH

[dcyrilc]

And here I thought that was a broken O-ring. Those type of rings appear to be a PITA since there is nothing to grab onto.

They pop out pretty easy with the pick...as long as I remember to push in the face to give them room to come out.:laughing:

If you look back at that picture again, you will see the notch on the outer edge of the endface which locks the snap ring in so it cannot come out without the endface being depressed.

BTW, I went ahead and ordered the second valve yesterday morning.

 

[wvpolekat]

I think it was a good call on ordering the second valve. No sense coming this far to not fix anything questionable.

 

[wdchyd]

:thumbsup:

 

[dcyrilc]

Picked up the new valves tonight after work. What a difference.
Old on the left. New on the right.

 

[dcyrilc]

Piston seal looks OK but looks are deceiving, Change it no matter what, any seals you see change them, cut the piston seal off without scoring the sides of the groove, (some guys try prying between the seal and the groove and it scars the side of the groove), you're gonna change it anyways....also grease the rubber energizer ring (you'll see this underneath )before the new teflon outer ring goes on....stretch it gently just enough to get it on......then shrink...

Got the new seal and I see the rubber energizer ring with it. When you say to grease the energizer ring, are you talking about greasing the inside for sliding over the piston? Or greasing between it and the teflon outer ring? Also, what's the reason for using grease rather than hydraulic fluid?

 

[wvpolekat]

That is a heck of a groove on the conical portion. Bet that caused some leakage.

 

[dcyrilc]

That is a heck of a groove on the conical portion. Bet that caused some leakage.

The strange part is that that was the pressure valve and the relief valve wasn't nearly as bad. Even so, my issues were with trying to lower the 3PH. It raised great.:confused2:

I think it just clicked in my mind. The leakage could have been part of my problem in conjunction with the missing O-rings.

 

[wdchyd]

Cyril,

The orings may have been left out intentionally.....I've seen it in other equipment where they are built internally in trans housing.....usually orings don't just disappear....they wear out yes but there would be left over pieces in the grooves.....did the parts breakdown show these on thier pics? if so then use them.....usually the precision clearances in the valve spool hold the load and so I would suspect from your description of your complaint that the piston seal or the worn seat on the spool would more than likely be your culprit of erratic performance....

Grease both TFE Seal & energizer before installation....better than oil....

and remember....CLEAN HANDS, TOOLS & BENCH......!!!!!

 

[dcyrilc]

Cyril,

The orings may have been left out intentionally.....I've seen it in other equipment where they are built internally in trans housing.....usually orings don't just disappear....they wear out yes but there would be left over pieces in the grooves.....did the parts breakdown show these on thier pics? if so then use them.....usually the precision clearances in the valve spool hold the load and so I would suspect from your description of your complaint that the piston seal or the worn seat on the spool would more than likely be your culprit of erratic performance....

Grease both TFE Seal & energizer before installation....better than oil....

and remember....CLEAN HANDS, TOOLS & BENCH......!!!!!

Yes the O-rings are shown in the parts breakdown. Also shown in the tech manual exploded view and included in the rebuild kit. I figure they should probably be put in.

I assume whoever was into this machine before left them out for whatever reason. It could have been something as simple as laziness and not wanting to fight them to get the caps back in with them on. Who knows. At any rate, I figure the engineers had a reason for designing them into the system, so I'll put them in.

Thanks for the heads up on using the grease. I'll do that. As for clean hands, tools, and bench...that's always part of reassembly.

It'll get dirtier before cleaner though, I need to start by scraping old gaskets tomorrow. Then...it's cleaning time.:thumbsup:

 

[dcyrilc]

Progress reoprt:

The 3PH has been reassembled and tested. Operates like new! I still need to go through it and do all the adjustments, but I'm happy with the outcome. I played with it for about 15 minutes and there are no signs of leaking so I think the internal work is done.

I installed the new lower body on the left lift link and am waiting for the upper arm for the left lift link. Even with just the lower body installed, I can see quite a difference in how tight the lift arms are becomming. With time I think I will replace the right lift link as well, but that may end up being a TNT when it gets replaced. Time will tell.

 

[dcyrilc]

Your delving into territory I've never been, and I hope not to have to go there either.

My only suggestion is to get a pair of good snap ring pliers as they will make your life easier. Channelock has two pairs (large & small) that will cover most anything and as a bonus, they switch from internal to external.

I got one or both pairs at Home Despot.

I checked out those Channelock snap-ring pliers at HD. They're pretty sweet. I may have to pick up a set at some point.:thumbsup:

 

[mjncad]

I checked out those Channelock snap-ring pliers at HD. They're pretty sweet. I may have to pick up a set at some point.:thumbsup:

Yeah they work real well. Much better than any Harbor Freight, Tool King, etc el cheapo's I've had in the past.

Glad to hear you got the 3PH up and running!

 

[dcyrilc]

Yeah they work real well. Much better than any Harbor Freight, Tool King, etc el cheapo's I've had in the past.

I've never been much into cheap tools. They just don't last and I've had a 30year career which depended on having my tools work when needed. Channelock is a top of the line brand as far as I'm concerned. I've used their wrenches for years.:thumbsup:

 

[dcyrilc]

Glad to hear you got the 3PH up and running!

What a difference. Before, it worked just enough to make you keep trying. Then didn't work just enough to really make you frustrated.:laughing: Plus, it only had all the way up or all the way down. There was just no way to get it to stay anywhere in between.

Now, I can put it just about anywhere I want it and it stays there. I still have a whole page of adjustments the manual spells out, but it's night & day difference already.:thumbsup:

 

[wdchyd]

:thumbsup:

 

[wvpolekat]

 

[dcyrilc]

3PH LIFT LINKS

I received the new upper shaft for the left lift link today. The difference between the old and new where the ball installs in incredible. I don't think I'll have to tell you which is which.:laughing: Pix below.

If you look closely at the picture of the new one, you will see that there are flanges? (top edge in the pic) on it that are not on the old one. Anyone have any idea what their purpose is and if they should be toward or away from the tractor?

I have also decided to order the parts to begin rebuilding the right lift link. I'll post that and where the worst of the wear is found as the parts come in.

 

[mjncad]

If the old link has no evidence of flanges, I'm guessing the new link is used on multiple tractor models and the flanges may make no difference on your machine. Or the flanges were a design improvement based on reports back from the field.

How much hassle will it be to put it on and try it, then flip it around if you run into problems?

 

[dcyrilc]

If the old link has no evidence of flanges, I'm guessing the new link is used on multiple tractor models and the flanges may make no difference on your machine. Or the flanges were a design improvement based on reports back from the field.

How much hassle will it be to put it on and try it, then flip it around if you run into problems?

None really. I would agree that the new one is a replacement for multiple tractors. It seems to have about 5 part #s on it.:laughing: I also think this is the result of a design improvement. I'll write more tonight, I have to get moving to get to work.

 

[dcyrilc]

Still waiting for the parts for the right lift link so nothing to report on that front.

My Fathers Day present from my wife arrived on Wednesday. I installed it this morning while waiting for my carpool partner to arrive. It's aftermarket, but it sure beats what I had.:thumbsup: