PO'd at police

[Hooked_on_HP]

The excuse for my seatbelt not being on was I went to the drive up window at the bank and had to get my wallet out . I unhooked the seat belt to get to my wallet and forgot to rehook it. I'm not mad about the seat belt ticket.Just the no proof of insurance. I had 12 insurance cards in the truck covering the last 6 years from the same insurance company. It's bizzare that I can ride my motorcycle without a helment or leathers but cant drive my dually without a seatbelt. I normally wear my seatbelt,
Bill

 

[archerm3]

I can sympathize with you being upset. But upset at yourself. Why didn't you put the seatbelt on? Don't you know better? If that had been on then you would not have been stopped, wouldn't be going to court for anything and no time wasted.

That said. I am against the seat belt law. It's just a revenue raising move by government.

Also, I always wear my seat belt because I feel nekked without it. :ashamed:

Having enough cops on the beat isn't free.

Personally I'm glad its the guys breaking the law that are funding them rather than me.

On the insurance card issue, some states have a database that your insurance company will update and the cops have access to..other's don't have that I assume. Bottom line is a little attention to detail would have found you having your insurance card on hand. Not the cops fault. I almost had the same problem about a month ago, but luckily i had found the current year insurance card...though i did get a ticket for not having a front plate. No anger from me, I did it and I did it intentially and I paid the fine with a smile on my face and without holes in my front bumper.

 

[Hawghauler]

Law enforcement should be just that. It doesn't mean some government paid weeny should issue fines for laws we didn't ask for. If he had told you to buckle up and make sure you have your updated card he would have been enforcing the law. If he was worried about you being in danger to your self or your lack of insurance card was a danger to me, why did he let you drive away? Our government has incrementally neutered our populace to where now many of us think it is okay for them to bully and control every aspect of our life, family, morals, pursuit of happiness, etc. As long as it is for "our own good" they can control us? Stop worrying about my helmet and protect our borders. Some of us will die if we are stupid, simple as that. Stupid should hurt. The only difference between a government worker and a welfare recepient is the number of paid days off. Both suck the blood from my toils and give me a very very poor return for my investment. A government worker can't be fired and gets paid their entire life for doing a mediocre job until they are 65 unless they get early dissability, and many do. I know there are hard working government workers, and some may add actual value, but mostly we the tax payers get a terrible return on our investment. All that said.......I thank God we don't get as much goverment as we pay for. Fight the ticket and make them prove you did something wrong.

 

[niemeyjt]

Then it's ok with you if law makers tell you what to eat and drink, and what sports or other activities you can do, as long as it's in the name of saving hospital space?

Nope - it is all about whether one's actions only affect oneself or whether they affect others.

Seatbelts - do you have them in the back of US vehicles? Here we do, and they have to be worn as well. Why? In an accident an unrestrained rear seat passenger can kill the front seat passenger. What is more important - the right of the rear seat passenger not to wear a belt or the right of the front seat passenger to life.

Someone suggested that insurance should be invalidated and an unbelted passenger left to their own devices. Well, that isn't going to happen - so instead the victim goes to hospital and deprives someone else of a bed / treatment.

J

 

[kenstrac]

OK in NH you don't need a seat belt or helmet we also do not require insurance unless you have a bad driving record so what happens if I did not have proof of insurance in your state.
BTW I do have insurance!

 

[kidr]

Nope - it is all about whether one's actions only affect oneself or whether they affect others.

Seatbelts - do you have them in the back of US vehicles? Here we do, and they have to be worn as well. Why? In an accident an unrestrained rear seat passenger can kill the front seat passenger. What is more important - the right of the rear seat passenger not to wear a belt or the right of the front seat passenger to life.

Someone suggested that insurance should be invalidated and an unbelted passenger left to their own devices. Well, that isn't going to happen - so instead the victim goes to hospital and deprives someone else of a bed / treatment.

J

So let's say you stuff your face with cream puffs and get a heart attack . You end up taking a hospital bed. Didn't your actions affect another? Why then wouldn't you want laws to limit what and how much you eat? Personally I think that cop could have saved more lives by targeting tail gaters.

 

[dave1949]

So let's say you stuff your face with cream puffs and get a heart attack . You end up taking a hospital bed. Didn't your actions affect another? Why then wouldn't you want laws to limit what and how much you eat? Personally I think that cop could have saved more lives by targeting tail gaters.

Noooo don't take away my cream puffs

Tailgating is another whole topic. I would think a LEO in an unmarked compact car could cite 10 tailgaters before lunch any day of the week. They could also clean up the sloppy driving I see all the time. Rounding the inside of a blind curve with their driver side wheels 2' into the oncoming lane, for example.

The only accident I've been involved in for many years was being rear-ended while stopped at a crosswalk. The other driver had been tail gating me for the past 4 miles coming into town on a snowy, slippery day. He had an up to date insurance card :laughing::laughing:
Dave.

 

[Duffster]

So let's say you stuff your face with cream puffs and get a heart attack . You end up taking a hospital bed. Didn't your actions affect another? Why then wouldn't you want laws to limit what and how much you eat? Personally I think that cop could have saved more lives by targeting tail gaters.

Those laws are coming.

 

[ElDorado]

I think it's OK to eliminate seat belt laws, but if you are injured while not wearing a seat belt, then no insurance should cover you injuries. Why should society pay for the extra risk that you are taking? The more insurance we have the more laws will be passed to control you.. Or you could get the higher cost insurance that would cover you if you are not wearing a seat belt. The free market system can work, but most people do not want to pay the cost. They want others to pay the cost.

I have been in this argument many times. Seat belt laws are there to protect society of the burden of paying for a persons bad decision, correct? My response then is, what about unprotected sex? The result of this poor decision can be sexually transmitted disease and unwanted pregnancy. Both of these outcomes cost society way more than people being injured in motor vehicle accidents not wearing seatbelts!!!!!

If we are going to have "protect society from the burden" laws should we have mandatory condom laws? Really, I am serious. Each time I say this no one has a response.

The seat belt law has NOTHING to do with protecting society from dumbies. It has EVERYTHING to do with "probable cause" and revenue!!!!

By the way I feel wearing a seat belt is the safe thing to do. How many TBNers wear the seatbelt while on their tractors? That is also the safe thing to do.

 

[/pine]

The cop was probably one of those typical type that always got picked on when they were a kid...They become cops to get back at society...