Bare-bones tools necessities for "home" shop????

   / Bare-bones tools necessities for "home" shop???? #51  
W Germany of course.

I use bessey too. I also have a 90 degrees pipe and tube jig for holding for welding joints from Bessey.

There are some knockoff of them out there. The stronghand line is one of them, though they are sporting serious clamps now, some of the ones I have seen are made in China, but people swear by them as well.
 
   / Bare-bones tools necessities for "home" shop????
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#52  
I'm late to the discussion, but I started with a very basic set up, and I have worked up from there.

It seems that we are all assuming that you have the basic garage tools... Hammer, wrenches, measuring tape, etc. I started metal work with a cheap Harbor freight Vise, a cheap Harbor Freight grinder, and an angle grinder bought at the local farm store for $15. I buy cut-off wheels in 12 packs. I got an old AC welder and accessories for $200 at a garage sale, but I paid way too much for it. I had a Delta drill press from my woodworking days. I think I paid $100 for it on sale. I might be able to get by with just a good 1/2" drill, but I wouldn't want to. Get good cutting fluid too. That makes a huge difference in drilling. I also had a dozen or so clamps of various sizes from the woodworking days. After a while I bought a hand-held MAPP gas torch for the rare occasion when I need to heat and bend something.

I made a lot of projects with those basic tools, then I've gradually added better tools. I now have an AC/DC Lincoln welder and a Lincoln MIG (I don't use the MIG much). I have an Oxy/fuel torch (propane or acetylene). I bought a Milwaukee chop saw, and I LOVE it. An autodarkening welding helmet from Harbor Freight has significantly improved my welding skills. I've upgraded my angle grinder, and I have quite an assortment of large drill bits.


Iplayfarmer,

About drills, drill bits, and cutting fluid.

I have two nice 1/2" corded drills. One is variable speed and the other is one speed, 540 rpms, I think. I know that a drill press would be the best, but lack of funds prevents adding that one.

When it comes to drilling thicker metals, what am I shooting for, the slowest speed possible?

What is the proper use of the cutting fluid? Do I just put a couple of drops every so many seconds?

What kind of drill bits do I want, cobalt, titanium coated, some kind of certain steel?

Thanks for the help guys. I'm learning, SLOWLY but surly.
 
   / Bare-bones tools necessities for "home" shop???? #53  
You can do a whole bunch of fabrication with the most basic of tools. I made a roll over boxblade (I call it my Gannon imitation) with only the most basic hand tools -- 4 1/2 angle grinder, 1/2 inch drill, few bits and a hole saw, and a cheap buzzbox. The bigger and nicer tools are just that bigger and nicer, but with time and determination, there is not much that you cannot do with just basic tools and a bit of ingenuity. As your skills and needs grow then grow your tool collection. The important thing is to get started doing it.

The BB and other implements are linked in the signature line.

Mike
 
   / Bare-bones tools necessities for "home" shop????
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#54  
Wow MJPetersen,

For having a simpler shop you've really made some very nice and useful attachments for yourself.

I'm always impressed by the things that people have made for themselves to meet a need, but they don't always look the best.

I'm doubly impressed with the things that people make for themselves and they look to have been purchased.

You get the latter nod. My hat's off to you. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
   / Bare-bones tools necessities for "home" shop???? #55  
I am an opinionated tool junkie. I have never met a tool I didn't want, and I have purchased many a tool I did not need (and never have used). Somewhere in my DNA there must be crow, because I cannot resist shiny metal objects. You must have, a set of torches both brazing and cutting, compressor, air hammer, ratchet, impact wrench, and drill. don't forget die grinder too. Every socket, ratchet, open end box ever concieved, both metric and standard and if you want to be the envy of the obscure, Wentworth too (see how many Brits we have here). Hammers, chizels, punches, brass drift, brass hammer, brass punches. Welder, parts washer, pressure washer, coffee pot, radio, creeper, drop lights, magnets. An obscenely expensive vise, work bench, drill press, bench grinder, quality jacks (3+ ton) and jack stands (6+ton). Pullers, presses, welder (name your own poison), chain hoist, engine stand, 100 screw drivers, 25 files, pliers of ever description too include snap ring, needle nose, hose clamp, channel lock, vise grip, etc, etc. Torq bits, torque wrenches, feeler gaulges dial calipers, valve compressor, ring compressor, multimeter, dwell meter, vacume guage, timing light, a third drop light. This is still an entry level assortment. Picks, hemostats, tweezers, bolt cutters, tooth brush, wire brush, feather duster (oops, other tool kit). My rule of thumb is, if you need it buy it don't borrow. To me these are a fraction of the necessities and I haven't got into the weird such as ridge reemer. I have all this and more and still have trouble finding a tape measure when I need one.
 
   / Bare-bones tools necessities for "home" shop???? #56  
Iplayfarmer,

About drills, drill bits, and cutting fluid.

I have two nice 1/2" corded drills. One is variable speed and the other is one speed, 540 rpms, I think. I know that a drill press would be the best, but lack of funds prevents adding that one.

When it comes to drilling thicker metals, what am I shooting for, the slowest speed possible?

What is the proper use of the cutting fluid? Do I just put a couple of drops every so many seconds?

What kind of drill bits do I want, cobalt, titanium coated, some kind of certain steel?

Thanks for the help guys. I'm learning, SLOWLY but surly.

I am by no means the expert on drilling, but I have made enough mistakes that someone ought to learn from them. It seems the tricks to good drilling are all about keeping the heat down. With good drilling technique you are cutting the metal rather than scraping or grinding. If you mess up and create heat in the hole, it will temper the steel and make it very hard to cut. BTDT!!

#1 rule = Sharp Drill Bits!! Learn to use a grinder. I have a cheapo black and decker drill bit sharpener, but it only does up to about 3/8", and it doesn't do a good job at that. I prefer to sharpen even my smaller bits on a bench grinder. Shop a few yard sales and buy the cheapest dullest bits you can find and practice putting an edge on them with the flat side of the grinding wheel. I've learned to use a chainsaw file to take the burr off the inside edge of the cutting surface after I've sharpened a bit. This won't work on anything much smaller than about 1/4". About three strokes is all it takes.

Good old high speed steel is usually good enough for bits. I've tried some of the titanium and cobalt bits, and they aren't enough better in my opinion to justify the cost for what I do. Buy the cheaper High Speed Steel bits and replace them often.

#2 rule = The right speed. Slow is good but it's possible to go too slow. Your variable speed drill will be best as long as it's geared slow. You can burn up a high speed drill by running it too slow under load. The right combination of a sharp bit and proper speed will produce long curly shavings rather than little filings. Bigger bits = slower speed.

#3 Rule = Cutting Fluid. You don't need much. Use enough to keep the drill bit from "Squeaking". Without fluid, the bit will sometimes audibly squeak. Sometimes you'll just feel the friction through the drill or you may hear more of a scraping. I've never tried the aerosol cutting fluids, but I hear they are handy.

#4 Rule = Pressure. This is why a drill press is so nice. Pressure directly against the bit will help it cut. BE CAREFUL!!. Especially with smaller bits if your pressure is not straight down against the bit, you bend and break the bit. There's an art to this as most drills are built so that if you push against the pistol grip you'll be off center vs. the bit. Pay attention to your pressure too. If you find you are having to push harder, it's probably time to change or sharpen your bit.

For bigger holes (over about 1/2") bimetal hole saws are nice. I've only ever used one with a drill press, so I don't know how well they'd work with a hand drill. It seems that a hole saw is very sensitive to binding if it's not straight and steady while drilling.

Patience is key. If you're used to working with wood, drilling holes in metal is going to seem like an eternity. Take your time and let the tool do the work.
 
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#57  
To Iplayfarmer,

Thank you so much for a very thorough and insightful explanation about the dos and don'ts of drilling metal.

As I've said, this thread will get turned into hard copy for future reference.


To Hawghauler,
I don't think I have the "crow gene" but yes those bits of glimmering, shimmering metal baubles are quite tempting.

As a lot of other people here probably have also, I envision one day having this awesome "Man Cave" that is outfitted to the Nines. Until then, I figured that I needed to see what one really needs to be able to be a competent fabricator.

Keep the advise coming, oh those that know. It's threads like this that help the rest of us try and "catch up" to all of those years of knowing and doing that the rest of you have and we desire.

Thanks to all :thumbsup:
 
   / Bare-bones tools necessities for "home" shop???? #58  
To Iplayfarmer,

Thank you so much for a very thorough and insightful explanation about the dos and don'ts of drilling metal.

As I've said, this thread will get turned into hard copy for future reference.


To Hawghauler,
I don't think I have the "crow gene" but yes those bits of glimmering, shimmering metal baubles are quite tempting.

As a lot of other people here probably have also, I envision one day having this awesome "Man Cave" that is outfitted to the Nines. Until then, I figured that I needed to see what one really needs to be able to be a competent fabricator.

Keep the advise coming, oh those that know. It's threads like this that help the rest of us try and "catch up" to all of those years of knowing and doing that the rest of you have and we desire.

Thanks to all :thumbsup:

Tool acquisition never stops. It can be a sickness. The internet makes it even worse because you can click a few buttons and UPS drives the big brown truck over filled with surprises.
 
   / Bare-bones tools necessities for "home" shop???? #59  
A good imagination is the best tool ,spend some time thinking about what you are going to build .The scap pile gets big fast otherwise . Resently I built a pallet fork attachment 100% from rejects and drops from work even with hydraulic top link .All I used was my 40 year old Lincolin (7014 rods),couple clamps ,side grinder, tape measure and magnet for squaring .Simple projects don't require alot of tools .
 
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