oil filter brands

[bp fick]

Under stood,, and failures are uncommon BUT...i have seen them yes with ecores,and some others(tore media,failed bypass), my point was a performance aspect not mechanical failure.

Understood. The average consumer has precious little, commonly known data or impartial evaluations of the comparisons. The sites most people point to merely evaluate by observation and description of internal components. Those sites are not horribly convincing and oft times woefully out of date.

 

[brokenot]

That YOU know of....plenty out there search.

Plenty of what? Filter comparison websites that actually do testing instead of "cut 'em open and look" evaluations?

Don't think so. Post a link to one. Look at the titles of these guys' sites, they're very careful about the wording they use. "Oil filter study", or "oil filter comparison". Why don't they refer to them as oil filter tests? Because testing is conspicuously absent. And testing matters. It is the only way to see if a spec is met.

Here's a link to an SAE reference materials page. You will not find any do-it-yourselfer sites on the internet that do all of this. Not even close. You may find one or two that have hooked up an oil pump to a bucket of oil and measured a couple of very simple things, but that's it.

SAE Oil Filter Test Procedure - SAE BOOKSTORE

 

[daman1]

Plenty of what? Filter comparison websites that actually do testing instead of "cut 'em open and look" evaluations?

Don't think so. Post a link to one

See you just said "don't think so" and yet you posted a link ,all this info is on the web just takes some effort on ones part to find it and understand it.


Bottom line.......find your Beta numbers,,,flow characteristics,,,and BP settings and that's all the info you need to determine a quality filter that would work in your application.

oh and yes one can determine the filters quality by merely inspecting it IF you know what your looking for,,,it's all part of the package,is the can of thin steel,does it have thin media,is the glue used of good quality and plenty of it,is the BP of good design and at dome end or threaded end,,any one with little knowledge will be able to tell.


google or call the filter manufacture great information is there.

 

[brokenot]

See you just said "don't think so" and yet you posted a link

I posted a link to an SAE reference materials page....:confused2:

oh and yes one can determine the filters quality by merely inspecting it IF you know what your looking for

And these oil filter comparison website authors "know what they're looking for"....based upon what?

Why do they include disclaimers such as admitting they have no experience in this field, if they have experience and know what to look for?

And even giving them the (considerable) benefit of the doubt, why would anything they say trump actual testing that some other agency is already doing ?

google or call the filter manufacture great information is there.

There's as much or more mis-information circulated and <cough> "discovered" <cough> via Googling than there is relevant and useful information. Choose ANY combination of search keywords you like on this subject....and those same sites THAT DON'T ACTUALLY TEST ANYTHING will pop up. And to make matters worse, they'll pop up at the top of the list.

We humans are a strange lot sometimes. Critical thinking is often easily displaced by the overwhelming desire to be in on some "big secret". Just as is the case with any other sort of gossip, the accuracy of the information isn't the most important thing. The fact that we passed it along serves as a marker of sorts to anyone listening or reading it that we were in on whatever the *big secret* is. It makes us feel included, and there's not really much down-side at all. If it turns out to be hogwash, well.....we were just repeating what we *heard* from someone else.

 

[daman1]

I posted a link to an SAE reference materials page....:confused2:



And these oil filter comparison website authors "know what they're looking for"....based upon what?

Why do they include disclaimers such as admitting they have no experience in this field, if they have experience and know what to look for?

And even giving them the (considerable) benefit of the doubt, why would anything they say trump actual testing that some other agency is already doing ?



There's as much or more mis-information circulated and <cough> "discovered" <cough> via Googling than there is relevant and useful information. Choose ANY combination of search keywords you like on this subject....and those same sites THAT DON'T ACTUALLY TEST ANYTHING will pop up. And to make matters worse, they'll pop up at the top of the list.

We humans are a strange lot sometimes. Critical thinking is often easily displaced by the overwhelming desire to be in on some "big secret". Just as is the case with any other sort of gossip, the accuracy of the information isn't the most important thing. The fact that we passed it along serves as a marker of sorts to anyone listening or reading it that we were in on whatever the *big secret* is. It makes us feel included, and there's not really much down-side at all. If it turns out to be hogwash, well.....we were just repeating what we *heard* from someone else.

obviously you have your personal agenda and thats fine, the info IS there to be found and understood IF...one takes the time to learn instead of asking your type of questions you post above,from examination and with time it'll be understood. I don't know how to say it any clearer been doing it for a looong time,,it's my job.


good info has been posted above,last post

 

[brokenot]

obviously you have your personal agenda and thats fine

My personal agenda is this and only this:

DO NOT under any circumstances take anything posted by anyone on these kind of sites at face value. If they're including disclaimers about their experience level/lack of expertise/lack of real testing/whatever, then anything you take away from that site should only be given an appropriate level of consideration.

Here's an example of what I mean by an appropriate level of consideration: I "know enough" about accounting to balance my checkbook. If I chose to purchase some bandwidth and author a site entitled "The Principles of Accounting", I would hope anyone reading it would realize immediately after seeing my disclaimer(s), that I "knew enough" about the subject to balance a checkbook....and that's about it.

 

[Diamondpilot]

oh and yes one can determine the filters quality by merely inspecting it IF you know what your looking for,,,it's all part of the package,is the can of thin steel,does it have thin media,is the glue used of good quality and plenty of it,is the BP of good design and at dome end or threaded end,,any one with little knowledge will be able to tell.

I do just as you say and inspect each and every filter I get. I just picked up about 120 filters I ordered just last week. They come in cases of 12 and I opened up each and every one. I rejected two filters before leaving with my order. I also ordered about 10 air filters and rejected one of them.

I like filters with a bung type welded in thread section. I look closely at the anti drain back valve, the o-ring gasket, and look down in them to check and make sure reasonable care was take to get the media in strait and uniform.

I will admit I do not cut many filters open anymore. Maybe 1 out of 25. The only ones I do cut open all the time are the ones that come off both engines of my airplane for both the fuel and oil systems.

Chris

 

[mcd176]

WIX filters from Fleetfilter.com for everything I own, Im not saying that they are the best but it is just easy for me to get online a few times a year and stock up on my filters.

Mike

 

[Soundguy]

only ones I cut open anymore are when I bring a new (old) tractor home. half of those I don't even have to cut as they are cartridge style

soundguy

I will admit I do not cut many filters open anymore. Maybe 1 out of 25. The only ones I do cut open all the time are the ones that come off both engines of my airplane for both the fuel and oil systems.

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

only ones I cut open anymore are when I bring a new (old) tractor home. half of those I don't even have to cut as they are cartridge style

soundguy

As you know being a Ford Powerstroke owner they use a cartridge style now. I prefer then to the spin on type. You see them on many BMW, Mazda, Saturn, Ford, and other makes. I think this is the way things will go because its much easier to dispose of versus a metal can filter.

I am sure they are cheaper to build also. No need to cut them open because you can see everything that is going on like you said.

Chris