Rear wheel weights vs filling tires

   / Rear wheel weights vs filling tires #51  
You are thinking rightly..you need weight, weight and more weight. Few people seem to have sufficient, IMHO.

I recommend.

  1. load your tires
  2. get Pat's System to significantly reduce your 3ph hookup pains
  3. attach appropriate 3ph for weight needed and job hand.
Many threads on TBN discuss weight issues and there are lots of recommendations.... read thru some for ideas.
 
   / Rear wheel weights vs filling tires #52  
I don't read posts any longer than 1" or so, but I agree with Reg. Adding weight to the back end does little or nothing to relieve the weight on the front, nor is it intended to. It only helps to keep the rear wheels on the ground, which is greatly needed on a 2wd tractor. I don't believe you are going to be happy with a loader on a 2wd tractor.
 
   / Rear wheel weights vs filling tires #53  
This setup is giving me the balance I need with the loader. I guess I need to take it off and try to weigh it. I don't know how to calculate the added weight it would have hanging off the 3pt. If I can figure out the weight it is giving me, then I should know how much to add to the wheels.

Gary, what you have there with the Box blade and steel bar is approx 300-325 lbs ..
Now this hasn't been suggested and I don't know if by you needed the tractor to easily move through wooded area with trees close together and low hanging limbs if this idea could work for you? but here it is! I believe if you get you a ROPS installed this could give you some added weight, although not exactly sure how much a ROPS weighs? this might be a No No suggestion but one could load the ROPS by half filling them with led in the lower portion;) Kinda like I used to do when building a Pole bumper for my 4x4 trucks and would fill it with cement...... I only mention this because after installing the heavy ROPS onto my tractor I noticed a great deal of added weight for traction, I estimated the ROPS weighing approx 165 lbs but of course The ROPS I used was not originally for My tractor, I won't go into this and I hope the ROPS Police don't go there either:D I'm only suggesting perhaps a Factory ROPS and Load the hollow inside with something to make them useful as Ballast weight as well as safety,:thumbsup:
 
   / Rear wheel weights vs filling tires #54  
My tractors and their dimensions are irrelevant.
I think the "hang something heavy on the 3 pt hitch to relieve the load on the front axle" is bogus.

Maybe you ought to read the manufacturers' recommendations for ballasting a tractor. The information is normally in the loader manual (if it's a Deere tractor).
You may think the info on TBN is bogus (sometimes it is...but info on any internet forum is a fair amount of opinion mixed in with a degree of experience), however that manufacturers' manual should be your "bible" in tractor operations.
 
   / Rear wheel weights vs filling tires #55  
I was thinking of going that route until yesterday. I was at the local garage where I get some car work done from time to time and there were two farmers there. When I mentioned about the weights vs filling, they both agreed that if you can put weights on then go that route. The tire guy there also said it's a pain in the rear for him to have to deal with filled tires. He also pointed out that he sees a lot of wheels with corrosion damage if it's not done right and then only do it if you have tubes in the tires.

So, I opted to go the weight route. I'm sure others will disagree but that is what I based my decision on. If I puncture one or just need to replace it, I will only have to drop the weights and take the tire to the shop. It will be a little easier to handle and I won't have to waste a day draining and refilling. I'm breaking the weights in to 3 pieces for each wheel which will make handling them a little easier since each will weigh about 33 lbs.

Ypur problem will be finding wheel weights for a 30 year old yanmar tractor. I guess you can buy the Deere weights for their identical tractors like the 850 etc tractors.
 
   / Rear wheel weights vs filling tires #56  
Maybe you ought to read the manufacturers' recommendations for ballasting a tractor. The information is normally in the loader manual (if it's a Deere tractor).
You may think the info on TBN is bogus (sometimes it is...but info on any internet forum is a fair amount of opinion mixed in with a degree of experience), however that manufacturers' manual should be your "bible" in tractor operations.

He has a yanmar.
 
   / Rear wheel weights vs filling tires #57  
This setup is giving me the balance I need with the loader. I guess I need to take it off and try to weigh it. I don't know how to calculate the added weight it would have hanging off the 3pt. If I can figure out the weight it is giving me, then I should know how much to add to the wheels.

You will have to take the weight and the torque equation for the weight moved out behind the rear axle. This is the same principle that Deep nad the other guy were discussing. 300lbs at the 3pt hitch is not equivalent to 300lbs on the axle, either in weights or filled tires. My guess is that 300lbs at the 3pt may be more likely like 350 on the axle or rims.
 
   / Rear wheel weights vs filling tires #58  
I say go for the max. On my tractor (Kubota L4200), I have loaded tires, three sets of wheel weights, a box blade on the rear with a 200 lb. rock on top of the box blade, and about 150 lbs. of welded cage over the operator !
Even then, I sometimes break traction (need R1's instead of R4's)

With this setup, I have managed to bring down oak and hickory trees up to 16" dia. (chaining high in the tree of course, and yes, low, low, low on the tractor).

As to loaders, wish they could be designed so that the curl cylinders extend to curl, like the loader arm cylinders do. Seems like you could always use more curl force, rather than dump.

As to weight behind the tires relieving the load on the front axle, there's really no argument there. Of course it does, you can't change physics. Wish I had more weight there rather than at the rear axle.
 
   / Rear wheel weights vs filling tires #59  
While all the discussion of FEL'rs I would like to take this opportunity to post this article on safety into this thread for any other viewers that might be misguided from the discussion of Front End Loaders and how the weight can or will effect the operation and handling of a tractor, Sorry for the lengthy article but I think all should read while considering the use of a "FEL"
especially with use of one on a Cut tractor,
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Many people use front-end loaders to move heavy things, Use caution when hauling any heavy load on a front-end loader so that you avoid side overturns. It is extremely important that the size of the tractor and loader are matched properly to the size and weight of the load being handled.
Side overturns result from the change in the tractor's center of gravity due to the additional weight of the load.

Figure 3. The point marked "X" is the normal center of gravity with a front-end loader. As a large bale is added, the center of gravity moves to a point marked "Z". When the load is raised, the shift in center of gravity increases the chance of overturning. The point marked "O" is the center of gravity for the round bale.



The normal center of gravity with a front-end loader is at the point marked "X." When a large round bale is carried on the front-end loader close to the ground, the center of gravity moves forward, represented by point "Y." The point marked "O," or half the diameter or length of the bale, is the bale's center of gravity.

Some operators will carry the load high for improved visibility while driving. However, when the loader is raised as shown, the center of gravity moves to the point marked "Z," which is both forward and higher than the original center of gravity, "X." In the raised position, the tractor is less stable and the potential for side overturn increases.

Now visualize this tractor on a slope with two wheels on the downhill side and two wheels on uphill side. As the load is lifted, the center of gravity gets higher and the potential for the tractor to roll down the hill increases. The same phenomena is observed with a dump truck. Have you noticed that no dump truck operator will dump the truck on a side slope?

The chance of side overturns increases when carrying a load on the front-end loader, especially on slightly rough ground. Moving the center of gravity forward causes a transfer of weight from the rear wheels to the front, making it much easier to bounce a rear tire off the ground when passing over bumps or holes. Plus, the additional weight on the front tires may exceed the axle and tire load-carrying capacity.

A loss of traction occurs when weight is transferred from the rear tires during load handling. This can be a problem when moving loads up a slope or on wet soil. Loss of traction can result in a braking loss on all surfaces. Mounted front-end loaders should be used when the load is properly counter-balanced by adding weight to the rear of the tractor. This additional weight will bring the center of gravity back to the original center.

Another dangerous situation occurs when the loader is raised too high. Some people use the loader to move Bale rolls the load can roll down the loader arms onto the operator. If you handle a load with the front-end loader (use proper bale handling devices to keep the bales on the loader), keep the load as low as possible and move slowly. Loader attachments such as spears and grapple-forks minimize the risk of the bales rolling down the loader lift-arms.

Table 2. Front-End Loader Safety Tips.

Never walk or work under a raised loader.
Raise and lower loader arms slowly and steadily.
Allow for the extra length of the loader when making turns.
Be careful when handling loose or shiftable loads.
Never move or swing a load as long as people are in the work area.
Stay away from the outer edge when working along high banks and slopes.
Watch for overhead wires and obstacles when you raise the loader.
Carry the load low to the ground and watch for obstructions on the ground.
Always use the recommended amount of counterweight to ensure good stability. Add recommended wheel ballast or rear weight.
Operate the loader from the operator's seat only.
Move the wheels to the widest recommended settings to increase stability.
Do not lift or carry anyone on the loader, bucket or attachments.
Lower the loader when parking or servicing.
Assure all parked loaders are on a firm, level surface and all safety devices are engaged.
Visually check for hydraulic leaks and broken, missing or malfunctioning parts, then make necessary repairs.
Under pressure, escaping hydraulic oil can have sufficient force to penetrate the skin, causing serious personal injury. Injuries resulting from oil penetrating the skin are very difficult to treat. Use a piece of cardboard or paper to check for pinhole leaks.
Before disconnecting hydraulic lines, relieve all hydraulic pressure.
Be certain anyone operating the loader is aware of safe operating practices and potential hazards.
Extending the tines of a loader may look like a good way to solve the loading problem, but when this is done the tractor's center of gravity is moved forward. Extra stress is placed on the loader, the hydraulic system and tractor front end.
All tractors used to move heavy loads should have roll-over protective structures (ROPS). ROPS can either be a protective enclosed cab or a roll bar with a canopy.
Tractor operators should utilize the tractor seat belt at all times when operating the tractor, regardless of the task that is being done.
 
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   / Rear wheel weights vs filling tires #60  
He has a yanmar.

Yeah, I know...that "if it's a Deere" comment was an example. Other brands may have the info in the tractor manual or elsewhere.
 

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