Chevy vs Ford Diesel Shootout

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   / Chevy vs Ford Diesel Shootout #51  
I agree that is why most of the equipment we use on a daily bases can be pulled with a 3500/350 or 450. But most of these purchasers of these are for basic transportation needs not for hauling.

I just think all of the major players in the 10,000gvw to 20,000 gvw trucks have great trucks but only GM Dodge and Ford have engines runing on the max setting get a interational volvo or frieghtliner it is running on a much lower setting and if you need that much power they put a larger engine in it.
Just emagine that if the New ford was scaled back to make it last for 500,000 miles, what kind of milage would it get then?

I do like the fact that the you don't need to work them over as it is done by the manufacturer. Now I need is someone to put 150,000 miles on one so I can afford one.

OK, now that's a different view I didn't think you were coming from. Yes, I agree my heavy duty diesel in my 4800 would live a longer life towing 10 tons than my light duty diesel.
In my situation, I'm rarely even on a highway. A light truck will start nickel & diming me to death before I am up against an overhaul.
 
   / Chevy vs Ford Diesel Shootout #52  
It's a good thing Chevy didn't challenge Ford to an ugliness contest, because it would have been a severe tie.

I can agree on that. The Dodge is by far the best looking truck out there but I will admit the GM and Ford are growing on me each and every day. What changed it for me is seeing them in person, not on paper or a computer. Doll them up with some aftermarket wheels and a different grill and its even better.

Hands down though the Dodge is winning the looks contest.

I still think the best looking trucks were the Ford 99 though 07 Superdutys.

Chris
 
   / Chevy vs Ford Diesel Shootout #53  
I do not think any of the big three has its diesel turned up to the max. Since there are tuners out there with HP ratings over 2x the factory settings in pulling and drag applications. It seems as though in inline 6 configuration is a solid performer in those settings, but we all know that no manufacturer right now can afford having a frankly unreliable truck in these markets. We all speak of the good ol' days when trucks were so much better. My first diesel, a 7.3L power stroke, was a good engine. It had 250/525 from the factory and I added a Banks Power Pack and Six Gun tuner to it and probably added 120 hp and about 220 lb. ft. additional torque to a rough total of 370/700-750ish. The truck got 18 empty and about 11 pulling 10000 pounds, both before and after the modifications. My GMC gets about 19-20 on the highway, 18 in combo unloaded driving and 12-14 pulling similar loads and has as much or more power and much more comfort and drivability than did my old 7.3L Point here is that as much as we look back at the old days and wish for an underpowered, high-mileage diesel engine, we are benefitted that we can have 400 hp diesels that do as well as--or better than--lower powered diesels of years past on fuel. True, perhaps it has gotten out of hand, but I look at these articles and most of the rest of us do to and that is the reason these trucks sell, despite their cost.

John M

You and I go back a long way. We both had to seriously modify our Fords. I had to to get them to perform to acceptable power levels. I felt my Fords were underpowered at 250HP. Once it was bumped another 100HP, I felt like it was more pleasant to drive. However, the noise and harshness and the smoke from increasing power was totally unacceptable.

What I love about the newer DMAX & Cummins (and newer Ford) is that they're far less noisy. In '07 when I bought my GM HD, I actually drove it to the Ford dealer and sat it next to a old school '07 6L Ford. The newer gen DMAX was so much quieter and smoother than the 6L Ford. Even my DT466 was quieter.

Nice thing is now they're all quiet. The older I get, the more I appreciate a smooth quiet diesel. The power just makes them a blast to drive and when you hook up the trailer, they just pull it like it's nothing. The sruggling, noise & harshness is gone. :thumbsup:

The other nice thing is the fuel economy didn't suffer much, if at all for the corresponding bump in power you get.

Can't wait till I can swing a new HD. They really put the power to the pavement. The Ally is just the bomb.
 
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   / Chevy vs Ford Diesel Shootout #55  
Thats a good looking old Ford also. GM's of that era were sharp also.

A mechanic at the airport where I fly out of has a Red Ford just like that. Its got a 351 in it with Mustang running gear under it. Really nice old ride.

Chris
 
   / Chevy vs Ford Diesel Shootout #56  
It's a good thing Chevy didn't challenge Ford to an ugliness contest, because it would have been a severe tie.

I can agree on that. The Dodge is by far the best looking truck out there but I will admit the GM and Ford are growing on me each and every day. What changed it for me is seeing them in person, not on paper or a computer. Doll them up with some aftermarket wheels and a different grill and its even better.

Hands down though the Dodge is winning the looks contest.

I still think the best looking trucks were the Ford 99 though 07 Superdutys.

Chris

Ford finally one uped Dodge. Didn't think it was possible. But Ford finally did it. They made an uglier truck than Dodge. I've seen several of the new duallies. That big ugly grill on the front and those fenders on the rear. :ashamed:

GMC is the best looking truck on the market right now. And other than the fangs on the front, the Chevy is pretty sharp too. Combined with the fact they have the best engine and transmision going (gas or diesel), it is a no brainer which truck to buy.:D
 
   / Chevy vs Ford Diesel Shootout #57  
IMO, the last year of good looking Chevy trucks was 2002. That was the last year that they just looked like a truck that wasn't trying to hard to look "bad" or whatever. The 03 design up until this new design wasn't bad, but this latest design is just too much. They should quit worrying about over-designing the look and just keep it plain and let it be a truck.
 
   / Chevy vs Ford Diesel Shootout #58  
Jim, I could not have said it better; insightful and gripping.....

John
 
   / Chevy vs Ford Diesel Shootout #59  
I'm inclined to think that no one builds an uglier truck than the Toyota Tundra. I really like the looks of my 2011 Ford F250 but even if you don't like the Fords looks or think it's not fast enough for you you're still going to see 5 Fords for every 3 Chevys, 1 Dodge and 1 GMC. When that reverses I'll take all the former stated arguments seriously.:thumbsup:
 
   / Chevy vs Ford Diesel Shootout #60  
I'm inclined to think that no one builds an uglier truck than the Toyota Tundra. I really like the looks of my 2011 Ford F250 but even if you don't like the Fords looks or think it's not fast enough for you you're still going to see 5 Fords for every 3 Chevys, 1 Dodge and 1 GMC. When that reverses I'll take all the former stated arguments seriously.:thumbsup:

Very well said. Ford runs the world, plain and simple. Look at what the tow trucks are, ambulances, what cable companies drive, the phone company, school corporations, municipalities, farmers, ect. I would say a good 60% are Fords. Ford used to have the Police market locked down but thats not the case anymore. In my area they are using Fords, Dodges, and the detectives drive Toyota's.

I thought we were talking about 3/4 tons and up here but in my eyes the best looking truck is the Nissan Titan. I love it stubby nose. Just looks tough.

Chris
 
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