Chevy vs Ford Diesel Shootout

[timswi]

You are probably right. I'm simply thinking about when I recall GM products, particularly their pickups, rusting apart in a heated and air conditioned garage without ever even hauling a load in them. Screwing the loyal consumer opened the door for foreign competition to get into this country and develop vehicles that we wanted and were are of better quality than what Detroit offered.

That's a stretch. I've been restoring vehicles for 25 years and everything, imports included, rusted in the 70's and well into the 80's and 90's. I've fixed plenty of rust on almost every brand imaginable..Benz, BMW, Honda, toyota, Nissan, GM, Ford, Dodge, Lincoln and that's just from memory. My dad had a 78 Honda accord that rotted out 3 years after he bought it. Can't re-write history. Maybe the drivetrains held up better, but the bodies certainly didn't. When I worked for Honda in the 80's they had rot problems too.

Ford paid me to fix the rot out on an 8 year old F150 because they knew they had a problem. Somehow my BIL got a lifetime rot warranty from Ford at the time that he bought it new. They ended up just settling with him and paid him to go away. The truck was rotting from the inside out.

You obviously loath/hate GM...I think we all get that by now. Your selective outrage is getting stale. Haven't you picked up on that yet? So you got burnt by GM in some way. many others have been run over by corporate failures too.

 

[Builder]

That's a stretch. I've been restoring vehicles for 25 years and everything, imports included, rusted in the 70's and well into the 80's and 90's. I've fixed plenty of rust on almost every brand imaginable..Benz, BMW, Honda, toyota, Nissan, GM, Ford, Dodge, Lincoln and that's just from memory. My dad had a 78 Honda accord that rotted out 3 years after he bought it. Can't re-write history. Maybe the drivetrains held up better, but the bodies certainly didn't. When I worked for Honda in the 80's they had rot problems too.

Ford paid me to fix the rot out on an 8 year old F150 because they knew they had a problem. Somehow my BIL got a lifetime rot warranty from Ford at the time that he bought it new. They ended up just settling with him and paid him to go away. The truck was rotting from the inside out.

You obviously loath/hate GM...I think we all get that by now. Your selective outrage is getting stale. Haven't you picked up on that yet? So you got burnt by GM in some way. many others have been run over by corporate failures too.

I think we're all getting to realize there's a few members who get away with using this forum almost exclusively to bash GM. been that way for years. You almost expect some sort of GM bash in all their posts.
I thought brand bashing was against the rules?

 

[RobertN]

Interesting how things come and go. My brother has a'71 or '71 Chevy 3/4 ton. It has coils in the rear.

Some people wouldn't consider a half ton Ram for example because it has coil springs in the rear. It wouldn't matter that the heaviest thing they'd be hauling might be an ATV in the bed or a small 3,000 or 4,000 pound trailer but because it's not leaf sprung it's a non starter even though it might be superior for their uses.

 

[W7XYZ]

Interesting how things come and go. My brother has a'71 or '71 Chevy 3/4 to. It has coils in the rear.

And GM sold lots of them, survived and nobody thought much of it. I get a bigger kick out of how the tire sizes have changed over the years, especially in passenger cars. Now we seem to have 17" tires as standard on many pickups. Not much earlier then the Chevy mentioned above, we had 7.50x17 tires. No the 17" isn't a 16" typo. If you agree, you're showing your age. Remember when the 16.5" wide base tubeless was the cat's meow? Now it's considered unsafe.

 

[Dargo]

That's a stretch. I've been restoring vehicles for 25 years and everything, imports included, rusted in the 70's and well into the 80's and 90's.

That's interesting. My family has owned body shops for over 50 years. Do yourself a favor; look up the value of a GM pickup from '69 through '73. Then look up the value of a GM pickup from '74 through the mid 80's. I believe you'll see that the facts point out what you are proclaiming is quite a stretch to put it mildly.

Don't let "I live and die by GM 'Builder'" laugh at you as his pawn. I call it as I see it and always have. In case you had an issue reading part of what I posted, my family bought nothing but GM products until their quality simply dropped to almost nothing. I'm stating facts; not brand bashing. If you're in love with one particular manufacturer like "Blider", I'm sorry for your luck. The rest of us base products on "what have you done for us lately". GM has ruined the lives of millions and called the money they stole "profit". I suppose it's all prospective. I call it theft by government assistance.

By all means, buy all GM products and buy all GM stock since you're so sure of their superiority. It affects me zero. I personally couldn't possibly care less what you feel is getting "stale". I feel you are selectively cheerleading GM with your best buddy Blider. I can't help your thin skin syndrome you share with him. If someone doesn't rave about what you prefer, you're all upset. What a boring world that would be. I already know I can learn absolutely nothing from "Blider". As a single minded person there is nothing new posted by him. That's what "ignore" is for. If you don't like hearing what is all over the news, feel free and please "ignore" me. I don't know what I can tell you about the current news though. Maybe don't watch GM stock prices?

 

[Dargo]

I thought brand bashing was against the rules?

Hope not. A few would miss you here.

 

[RobertN]

The current 17" is to clear the newer brake rotors. Bigger brakes.

I don't remember 7.50x17, but have had trucks with 16.5" rims. Were the early 17" and the 16.5" to clear large brake drums?

I get a bigger kick out of how the tire sizes have changed over the years, especially in passenger cars. Now we seem to have 17" tires as standard on many pickups. Not much earlier then the Chevy mentioned above, we had 7.50x17 tires. No the 17" isn't a 16" typo. If you agree, you're showing your age. Remember when the 16.5" wide base tubeless was the cat's meow? Now it's considered unsafe.

 

[W7XYZ]

I don't remember 7.50x17, but have had trucks with 16.5" rims. Were the early 17" and the 16.5" to clear large brake drums?

You're probably not old enough to be in the 17" tire era. That was a time when tall skinny was the norm for work trucks back when trucks were only for work. The 16.5" brought us into the tubeless era.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Having a IFS in a 3/4 ton and up is just a mistake. 1/2 tons it great but put a Boss V plow on a 3/3 ton GM and you are asking for problems while a Dodge and Ford with its solid front axle has no issues.

GM has a winner with the Isuzu Dmax and Allison tranny. They could not build there own diesel period. If you remember correctly the Dmax went through lots of teething pain just like the Ford 6.0 did. Its going to happen when you take a 180HP motor and crank it up to over 300HP.

GM was so far behind on frame, suspension, and brakes the good motor tranny combo was not even considered for people who really use the truck. Now that they have a real frame and GVWR 's on par with the competition they stand a chance to gain market share if you can get past that front end.


Not sure where you got robbed at paying $500 for ball joints. Guess its a East Coast Thing but around here we can do it for under $250. By the way, my 3 Ford diesels have accumulated over 300,000 miles with only tie rod ends on one and a steering box rebuild.

Chris

 

[RobertN]

Agree on 3/4 ton and up. In a 1/2 ton or lighter, it really depends on what your kind of 4x4 use is. Nice for a car-like ride, not so great for off-road and suspension travel. Toyota guys throw the IFS away in the small trucks and swap in older Toyota, or Chevy straight axle running gear.

Having a IFS in a 3/4 ton and up is just a mistake. 1/2 tons it great but put a Boss V plow on a 3/3 ton GM and you are asking for problems while a Dodge and Ford with its solid front axle has no issues.
Chris