What to look on a Plasma Cutter?

   / What to look on a Plasma Cutter? #21  
Over on WeldingWeb they did a test with a Hypertherm 45, a PP60 and a logevity unit. They were able to cut up to 1 1/4" with the 45 (even though it's not rated for that thick). I tried taking some pictures of a flywheel I cut up. The thicker part is 1 1/8" while the thinner is 5/8".
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I think flywheels are cast iron.
larry
 
   / What to look on a Plasma Cutter? #23  
I bought a hypertherm 45, and it's done everything I've asked it to do....which certainly isn't straining.

I have no plans to fabricate my own scraper, dragline, or tankership, so I'm happy.

I think it's a good high-end amateur machine. The 110/220 option would be nice for convenience, but those were a bit small for me. I was going to buy a miller 625, and a welder friend recommended the hypertherm.

-Jer.
 
   / What to look on a Plasma Cutter? #25  
I bought a hypertherm 45, and it's done everything I've asked it to do....which certainly isn't straining.

I have no plans to fabricate my own scraper, dragline, or tankership, so I'm happy.

I think it's a good high-end amateur machine. The 110/220 option would be nice for convenience, but those were a bit small for me. I was going to buy a miller 625, and a welder friend recommended the hypertherm.

-Jer.

I looked at the 45 but just couldn't justify the extra cost over a larger Everlast unit. I would expect both Mark from Everlast and Jim from HyperTerm to stand up for their products but at the end of the day the $700 I saved equals about 75 tips, 75 electrodes, and 25 cups. For me that's a lifetime.

It sounds like a great machine but at the end of the day for the price of a 45 I wouldn't have bought a plasma cutter. I just couldn't justify the cost for the amount of times I'd use it.
 
   / What to look on a Plasma Cutter? #26  
I looked at the 45 but just couldn't justify the extra cost over a larger Everlast unit. I would expect both Mark from Everlast and Jim from HyperTerm to stand up for their products but at the end of the day the $700 I saved equals about 75 tips, 75 electrodes, and 25 cups. For me that's a lifetime.

It sounds like a great machine but at the end of the day for the price of a 45 I wouldn't have bought a plasma cutter. I just couldn't justify the cost for the amount of times I'd use it.

You're likely right. I didn't shop around and research that much on this purchase (which isn't really like me...).

-Jer.
 
   / What to look on a Plasma Cutter? #27  
Everyone seems to be happy with what ever Plasma they buy. What I am reading on here is that a certain unit can cut 2x what it is rated for. They ALL do.. Like I said in a previous post. I have a 110/200 unit that will cut 6" plate. It just takes a while...If you think a Hypertherm 45 will cut 1 1/2" @ 10 inches per minute, You are a Moron. I have a Hyp 800, 900 & 1250. None will cut 1 1/4 @ 10" minute. Jim is a bit biased and why wouldn't he be. Do you think he wants you to buy some other brand.. I like 10X longer consumable life that Hypertherm has as well. LOL!!! It's because the guy that makes them is an owner.? Wow!!!
 
   / What to look on a Plasma Cutter? #28  
Everyone seems to be happy with what ever Plasma they buy. What I am reading on here is that a certain unit can cut 2x what it is rated for. They ALL do.. Like I said in a previous post. I have a 110/200 unit that will cut 6" plate. It just takes a while...If you think a Hypertherm 45 will cut 1 1/2" @ 10 inches per minute, You are a Moron. I have a Hyp 800, 900 & 1250. None will cut 1 1/4 @ 10" minute. Jim is a bit biased and why wouldn't he be. Do you think he wants you to buy some other brand.. I like 10X longer consumable life that Hypertherm has as well. LOL!!! It's because the guy that makes them is an owner.? Wow!!!

Easy big fella.....

-Jer.
 
   / What to look on a Plasma Cutter? #29  
There are some cases, as I said previously, where a cheaper purchase price may be the best decision on a plasma cutter, just as it may be with any other tool.

A few years ago (actually about 30 years!) I was pretty young and had a passion for metal fabrication. I worked for a small company in NH that had 11 employees, that produced 1 product, a 1000 Amp mechanized only plasma cutter that could cut 6" aluminum and stainless. We worked hard, built about 3 of these systems a month, and didn't make much money. When I went home, and on weekends I worked in my garage building racecars, trailers, tractor implements with my low cost used and cheap import welding and cutting equipment (there were no hand held plasma's that could run on air and single phase power at the time). I bought cheap tools, and searched for used equipment that I could fix up...so that I could work (play) in my shop in my spare time.

Today Hypertherm has over 1200 employees (all have stock in the company), we have over 35 different plasma cutting products, and are (by far) the largest manufacturers of plasma cutting equipment in the world. We can produce in the range of 5000 plasma systems a month. I still work hard, and I make a bit more money, and I still have a passion for metal fabricating. My home shop is bigger, I can afford better tools, and someday my sons will own all of the equipment. I buy equipment that works as advertised, that will last and have parts available for many years, and that I expect my sons to be able to get some use out of.

So....when you talk pricing and performance on major tools such as a plasma cutter or a welder....the above types of life situations certainly have an effect on the amount you pay. The other alyternative to buying low cost import equipment (which means sending your money to another continent!) is to use the internet and find good used equipment from a major supplier that can meet all your criteria for use. I still buy used equipment if it is a major brand....just bought a 6 year old Miller 250 Amp Mig for far less than an import....and I am very sure that service and parts will be available for a long time!

Plasma systems (power supplies and torches) are not all alike. 60 Amps on one model does not cut like 60 Amps on another model, trust me. There are major engineering breakthroughs in torch technology that occur monthly....but only from the companies that make a big investment in that engineering. When the patents expire 13 to 17 years later, the other manufacturers can catch up. The breakthroughs involve higher energy density, better control of cut angularity, faster cut speeds at a given amperage, better piercing capability, ease of use, reliability, and of course...lower operating cost.

Most of the import plasma's use torch designs that are copies of older technology. One of the most common import plasma torches is a copy of an over 30 year old Esab PT31 torch! Another is of an almost 20 year old Trafumet (italian) torch design. Even some of the major plasma system producers only come up with new torch designs every 10 to 15 years.

Hypertherm has over 75 plasma patents, mostly on torch and consumable designs, but others are related to gas flow control, power supply output control, all of these technology breakthroughs are to improve performance, reliability and to lower the cost of operation.

So, to conclude:

- yes Jim Colt (Me) may be biased on his first choice for plasma cutting...but he has been around, and can offer good advice....which is what this thread's original poster was looking for!

-Try out a few different plasma systems on the thickest and thinnest materials you are going to cut. Your local welding supply store is a good place. You also can go to the manufacturers and ask for a specific cut sample....or better yet ask me. I'll cut a part and post a picture for everyone!

-Make your price decision based on whhat you are going to use it for, how long you plan to keep it.

- Don't forget....there are a lot of good used plasma systems out on the market. Craigslist is a great source. If anyone finds a used Hypertherm, contact me and I'll tell you what it is worth, or I may even tell you to steer clear (depending on vintage and model!)

- It is not Amps that does the cutting.....it is Load Voltage X Amps, which equals killoWatts. The best systems may have a lower amperage rating, but will have a higher killowatt rating, duty cycle rating, and a better technology torch.

Jim Colt
 
   / What to look on a Plasma Cutter? #30  
Jim, not that Hypertherm isn't a great name, but with a great last name like Colt, why did you name your company Hypertherm??!!!

Congratulations on your success, and the fairness in your posts.

-Jer.
 

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