Power Beyond or HPCO valve help needed

   / Power Beyond or HPCO valve help needed
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#11  
Thanks for the tip. Yes, I think some of them are just water pipe fittings. I need to upgrade them although some have been in service for years now. They are not very expensive to buy the correct ones.
Bob
 
   / Power Beyond or HPCO valve help needed
  • Thread Starter
#12  
I think I finally found an explanation that I could understand. This will probably be obvious to those familiar with hydraulics, but it really helped me understand what "power beyond" is all about.

First I checked my backhoe and found it has a Gresen series V12 valve. I contacted Parker Hydraulics and spoke with Mr. David Fabian, who was extremely helpful. First he identified the 2702 casting as an SP2 series valve, and explained some were made with power beyond capability and some did not have this option. If it has power beyond there will be another port located near the return to tank port, which my valve does not have.

On the other hand, the V12 series does have power beyond capability, and just needs to be configured correctly. All that needs to be done is replace the open center plug with a "power beyond sleeve" in the conversion port located on the output end of the V12 series backhoe valve, and connect as shown in the attached diagram. Mr. Fabian then explained that the series connection I used would result in high pressure being applied to the tank port on the 2702 valve whenever the backhoe valves are actuated. This high pressure on the tank port is applied to the seals on the ends of the spools, causing them to leak and will eventually blow the seal.

Mr Fabian explained the concept of configuring valves, and I sketched some simple 3d drawings showing the oil flow in each configuration. The sketches are only the output end of a generic valve but show how the V12 series is changed from one configuration to another. The three configurations I sketched are open center, closed center, and power beyond.

In all configurations the oil flow will be to the tank port when any valve is actuated, forcing oil to a cylinder. Likewise if the pressure relief valve opens (due to overpressure) the oil will flow to the tank port through another path not shown on my sketches. Therefore both the backhoe and FEL valves must have a return line connected back to the tank.

The difference in configurations only affects the oil that flows (or tries to flow) through the center of the spools when no cylinder is actuated.The standard configuration is open center, which means the oil flowing through the spools in the center (non-actuated) position is always returned to the tank port.

A closed center configuration blocks the oil flow in the center, causing the pressure at the inlet to rise to the level that the pressure relief valve opens (usually 1500-3000 PSI). This forces the pump to work hard all the time and wastes horsepower, but it allows a parallel connection of valves provided they are all closed center, with maximum pressure always available to all valves.

In the power beyond configuration, the center oil flow is diverted to a third port which is then connected in series with the next valve in the system. Note that if several valves are series connected, all valves except the last one in the series string must have power beyond configured. The last valve is open center, so when all valves are in the center position, oil will flow back to the tank with no high pressure produced anywhere in the system.

If any valve in the series string is actuated, the oil will be diverted through a cylinder at high enough pressure to move the cylinder, or if the cylinder cannot move (end of travel or too much load) then the oil will flow through the relief valve to the tank. Only one valve at a time may be actuated since the oil will be diverted through a cylinder and flow back to the tank rather than flowing through the power beyond line to the next valve (i.e. If backhoe is in use, no oil is sent to the FEL in my case).

I hope this will help another novice to understand the how and why of power beyond.
 

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   / Power Beyond or HPCO valve help needed #13  
Good illustrations and write up, thanks.
 
   / Power Beyond or HPCO valve help needed #14  
First bbutcher thank you for your post #12. Someone, please explain what I am missing. To me it would appear difference between the diagram in post #8 and the one in post #12 is that the BH and FEL position is reversed. The point made in post #12 溺r. Fabian then explained that the series connection I used would result in high pressure being applied to the tank port on the 2702 valve whenever the backhoe valves are actuated. This high pressure on the tank port is applied to the seals on the ends of the spools, causing them to leak and will eventually blow the seal.

Does issue then move to the FEL? If no is it because the BH and the FEL use different valves or some other reason?

I understand you do not want to use pipe fittings. What are peoples fillings on using the Teflon tape?

Thanks.
 
   / Power Beyond or HPCO valve help needed #15  
Some valves might can take the full pressure on the tank/out port, but most can not. You may see this on the FEL valve going to the 3pt circuit, but the 3pt probably doesn't develop the full pressure of the pump. Therefore the purpose of the PB is to allow full pressure through the open center circuit. It really doesn't make any difference which valve is first in line, except if the first valve is activated, it may take all the flow in the circuit if the levers are fully activated. If any two valves use only half lever, then each valve will get some flow. If the last valve in-line is activated, the complete circuit is pressurized from pump through all valves ,and to the valve in operation. Most times when using the BH, the FEL valve is not utilized, , and vice-verse.
 
   / Power Beyond or HPCO valve help needed #16  
J.J. thank you answering my question!
 
   / Power Beyond or HPCO valve help needed #17  
What are peoples fillings on using the Teflon tape?

Thanks.

Tape should NOT be used in hydraulic systems. A PTFE past is recomended. This question usually will result in much debate...
 
   / Power Beyond or HPCO valve help needed #18  
Kenny, a question for you. Have you ever seen tape used on any OEM applications? Not saying that it's right or wrong, just a simple question.
 
   / Power Beyond or HPCO valve help needed #19  
Kenny, a question for you. Have you ever seen tape used on any OEM applications? Not saying that it's right or wrong, just a simple question.

Admittedly, yes-I have...mostly on things like the cheap logsplitters at TSC, Home Cheapot and lowes and rented equipment. Not on my JD though, but it mosly uses JIC or ORB fittings which don't need any sealant anyway.
 
   / Power Beyond or HPCO valve help needed #20  
Teflon tape is used quite a bit. It only takes common sense to not put it on the first and second thread, and when removing the fitting, to clean out all the old Teflon debris.
 

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