What's up with off road fuel prices??

[aczlan]

I just need to make sure I get all the dyed diesel out of my 550 gallon tank before I start putting road diesel in it. I'd hate to get busted for doing the right thing but have a gallon or so in the bottom of my tank make all my diesel turn red.

Might look into renting/hiring a steam pressure washer to clean it out completely.

Aaron Z

 

[clemsonfor]

Might look into renting/hiring a steam pressure washer to clean it out completely.

Aaron Z

or just drain it into a drum and refil.

 

[clemsonfor]

Well heck, if it's gonna cost the same for off road, dyed, diesel as taxed on road, I'll just fill my tanks with on road from now on so I can have the option of filling my pickup and RV at home.

Someone mentioned getting the road tax back when doing taxes, but I have no clue as to how to do that even if I ran 100% of the fuel in off road vehicles. I'd assume that I would have to keep log books of every hour run on all of my off road equipment, and that would be about impossible. I think I have around 13 or 14 diesel powered machines. There's not enough time in my day to try to log hours on each one in some book if that's what I'd have to do. Heck, I generally get audited about every 3 years or so and the IRS owes me a few hundred bucks each time. I appreciate the money back but, again, the time part isn't worth it.

I think I have a jealous BIL who turns in an "anonymous tip" to the IRS to get me audited. You'd think after a while they'd get smart and realize that I'm not cheating and check out the person giving them the bad tips. Oh well, clearly it doesn't operate that way. I know he cheats like **** on taxes but my wife would have a cow if I turned him in and he lost everything. Being that he isn't so bright, I have to assume it's just a matter of time. It will be a bummer if there is a limit on how far they can go back when they find he's been cheating though. He's cheated for so long now, I'm sure he would still come out ahead after having to pay back taxes and penalties if they can only go back a few years. But, I'm off the subject and I suppose it's not my business. I just need to make sure I get all the dyed diesel out of my 550 gallon tank before I start putting road diesel in it. I'd hate to get busted for doing the right thing but have a gallon or so in the bottom of my tank make all my diesel turn red.

I see you made a trip to HF (or your dad did i guess)

Called today on prices of fuel. Near my farm one place said min order of 100 gallons and if no other delivery in my area there will be a $40 fee ontop of that. HHO was $2.90 delivered and i asked about #2 off-raod and it was $3.05/gallon. There the same thing? Well maybe there off-raod is #2 dyed ULSD and the HHO is a mix of LSD #2 deisel and Kero? The other place i called was $2.84 delivered again 100 gallon min. I am buying for my 2nd home or farm house which we just stay at on the weekends during deer season and other times we go there , so i dont use much heating oil in the 1200sqft home and my tractor is so small it dosent use but about 3 gallons if i run for 4-5 hours or so.

My solution is to get a 55gallon oil barrel and go to the bulk distributer here where i live, i was quoted $2.69 for #2 off-road if i pick it up. They will fill my drum and i will take it to the farm when i go next. I ordered a hand pump off amazon to transfer the 50 gallons. This way i will almost pay for my setup with the purchase of this first batch of fuel.

 

[Ken]

Had to go to the shop and look at my gas tickets.
unleaded 87 octane #3 un 1203 pgII what ever the numbers mean was $2.417 per gal. and no corn juice and had the fuel additive to keep the fuel stable for the winter I use this gas for s/b gen when needed.
For diesel Dyed low sul non-taxed 3na1993 PGIII was 2.595 per gal.
The gas had a tax of St gas tax of .220 & Fed gas tax of .1830 per gal
The state had a diesel tax .064 per gal. but no fed. tax.
Ya'all come to Ark. for good fuel prices.
ken

 

[shade tree welder]

Someone mentioned getting the road tax back when doing taxes, but I have no clue as to how to do that even if I ran 100% of the fuel in off road vehicles. I'd assume that I would have to keep log books of every hour run on all of my off road equipment,...

You would assume wrong. You need to keep a record of all the fuel you fill
into off road equipment. I keep a log book and have a fuel gauge on my
pump. A hand written record for individuals is acceptable to the IRS. My
gauge has a totalizer that cannot be reset, I record the totalizer value
before and after pumping, calculate the volume dispensed and enter what
unit it was pumped into along with the date. Been audited once and they
found that the record keeping was excellent, almost made $1000 back from
the IRS that day. I do not cheat on my taxes and my tax man is a 25 year
retiree from the IRS. :thumbsup:

IRS Form 8849 and attach Schedule 1

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8849.pdf
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8849s1.pdf

Might look into renting/hiring a steam pressure washer to clean it out completely.

Good advice, I would also keep those receipts handy on to show when you
switched. DOT gets really pissey about dye in on-road vehicles. But if you
can show when you stopped purchasing dyed fuel and switched to undyed
you will likely win any case.

You might also want to call back you "former" fuel supplier and get a written
quote to back up your story, in case you ever need back up your story. And
do not tell you BIL as he will call the DOT for your convience.

 

[Lt CHEG]

It will be a bummer if there is a limit on how far they can go back when they find he's been cheating though.

Just an FYI, the statute of limitations for violations of the US Tax laws (Title 26 United States Code) is 3 years. This includes cheating on your taxes, not paying special occupancy taxes, violations of the National Firearms Act, etc. Essentially after 3 years with very few special exceptions, it's as if any violations never occurred.

 

[Dargo]

You would assume wrong..

Now, that would not be a first!

 

[Dargo]

Just an FYI, the statute of limitations for violations of the US Tax laws (Title 26 United States Code) is 3 years. This includes cheating on your taxes, not paying special occupancy taxes, violations of the National Firearms Act, etc. Essentially after 3 years with very few special exceptions, it's as if any violations never occurred.

That rather stinks for those of us who play by the rules and pay through the nose for taxes. I guess it's different when you just don't file a return like Snipes (fool). He gets a free room at the Gray Bar Motel for his efforts besides the penalties and fines.

 

[smstonypoint]

Just an FYI, the statute of limitations for violations of the US Tax laws (Title 26 United States Code) is 3 years. This includes cheating on your taxes, not paying special occupancy taxes, violations of the National Firearms Act, etc. Essentially after 3 years with very few special exceptions, it's as if any violations never occurred.

"Under section 6501(e) of the Tax Code and section 301.6501(e)-1 of the Tax Regulations the statute of limitations is 6 years if the taxpayer omits additional gross income in excess of 25% of the amount of gross income stated in the tax return filed with the IRS.

<snip>

The statute of limitations does not apply in the case of a false tax return or fraudulent tax return filed with the IRS with intent to evade any tax. See section 6501(c)(1) of the Tax Code and section 301.6501(c)-1 of the Tax Regulations. "

Emphasis added.

From Statute of Limitations, Tax and IRS, Tax Code, Tax Regulations.

Steve

 

[jonyyuma]

They will spend any amount of money to prove you cheated them.Don't like to play with the tax people or figures. Look what happened to Big Al. No one could touch him, but the taxman.