Water in Gasoline (10% Ethanol)

[mojoinco]

I think Seafoam is a marine product intended to pull water out of gas/diesel.

Anyhow, keep your eyes peeled for E15. Apparently the EPA has approved its use in 2007 and up cars. Don't know how soon we will see these at the pumps, but I am not looking forward to it in my carburated (sp) vehicles (motorcycle, chainsaw, lawnmower, old pick up, etc). I see sales of rebuild kits, fuel pumps, and even faster rotting of fuel lines.

The legal justification is to satisfy some well intended Congressional mandate to lower dependency on foreign fuels (which is part of what sold the corn ethanol in the first place).

But I digress.

 

[clemsonfor]

Guys-to clarify what I said about it being "legal", I should have been more specific. In certain parts of the country-like here in most of the Northeast, gasoline is blended at the terminal level with 10% ethanol and 90% R-bob, (Regular), or 10% ethanol and 90% P-bob-(premium). If that is the case, and the ethanol drops out, the gas is not legal by EPA standards. In other parts of the country, the 10% ethanol is strictly used as an ".extender", and the gas that is above the phase separated product is legal. Its a complicated issue and it varies by region. Sorry if I confused things?

The whole ethanol question is a big question as to its true cost effectiveness. IMO, until they start producing ethanol from true waste products, it is a misuse of a valuable commodity-corn.

Seafoam???? Like to here more about that-44 years in the oil industry and I never heard of it.

I doubt it will turn the sludge back good it will extend this and keep it from happening. You have 44 years and have neaver heard of seafoam? I think it has been around since the 40's or 50's . the stuff is great , you can use it in oil gas deisel 2 stroke and pure in a 2 stroke as its petroleum based and will lubricate as well

 

[Skyco]

I'm not a fan of Seafoam. It is Pale Oil, Naptha and ALCOHOL!

 

[J_J]

Guys-to clarify what I said about it being "legal", I should have been more specific. In certain parts of the country-like here in most of the Northeast, gasoline is blended at the terminal level with 10% ethanol and 90% R-bob, (Regular), or 10% ethanol and 90% P-bob-(premium). If that is the case, and the ethanol drops out, the gas is not legal by EPA standards. In other parts of the country, the 10% ethanol is strictly used as an ".extender", and the gas that is above the phase separated product is legal. Its a complicated issue and it varies by region. Sorry if I confused things?

The whole ethanol question is a big question as to its true cost effectiveness. IMO, until they start producing ethanol from true waste products, it is a misuse of a valuable commodity-corn.

Seafoam???? Like to here more about that-44 years in the oil industry and I never heard of it.

Been around since about 1930.

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[Mace Canute]

Do you have a genuine chamois leather ? Not a synthetic one? Try it as a water filter. When first soaked with clean gasoline, chamois leather does not allow water to pass through its hollow fibers. Old timers used to strain gasoline through a chamois rag to pull out the water.

 

[brokenot]

I'm not a fan of Seafoam. It is Pale Oil, Naptha and ALCOHOL!

FWIW, the IPA amount found in Seafoam is 10-20% by weight. So if you do the "treatment" according to their instructions using one of the 16 ounce cans, you put about half a can of Seafoam into your fuel tank. 10-20% of that 8 ounces you put in the fuel tank means you've added between .8 ounces and 1.6 ounces of isopropyl to your vehicle's gas tank. If you dump the entire can of Seafoam in your tank, you've added 1.6 to 3.2 ounces of isopropyl to your fuel.

Ever added a whole bottle of this to your fuel tank?

If you have, you've essentially matched the "isopropyl dosage equivalent" of adding from somewhere between 4 and 7 full cans of Seafoam.

In other words, even if you have issues with IPA, the small amount in Seafoam makes it a non-issue.

 

[firedog]

Siphoning at this point may be your best bet. The Alcohol does well with small amount of water, but it sounds like your at the peak of the bell curve. Another option would be to add water (yeah, that's what I said). The increased amount of water will cause the alcohol to better disassociate from the gasoline and then you would be able to decant the water/alcohol solution out.

keep your eyes peeled for E15

Might want to close your eyes, instead. E85 is on the horizon.

 

[Skyco]

FWIW, the IPA amount found in Seafoam is 10-20% by weight. So if you do the "treatment" according to their instructions using one of the 16 ounce cans, you put about half a can of Seafoam into your fuel tank. 10-20% of that 8 ounces you put in the fuel tank means you've added between .8 ounces and 1.6 ounces of isopropyl to your vehicle's gas tank. If you dump the entire can of Seafoam in your tank, you've added 1.6 to 3.2 ounces of isopropyl to your fuel.

Ever added a whole bottle of this to your fuel tank?

If you have, you've essentially matched the "isopropyl dosage equivalent" of adding from somewhere between 4 and 7 full cans of Seafoam.

In other words, even if you have issues with IPA, the small amount in Seafoam makes it a non-issue.

Non-issue is right! Adding a tiny fraction of isopropyl alcohol will not fix his 25% mix of water/alcohol emulsion and turn it all back into "normal" looking gasoline. The other two ingredients in SeaFoam, naptha and pale oil, will do nothing to the water.
Nope, ain't gonna happen, no common additive will recombine phase separated E10.

Not saying SeaFoam isn't useful for some things but it will not fix the OP's problem and I just refuse to pay $8 for a can with 10 cents worth of ingredients in it

The only solution is to physically separate the two liquids, but then as I mentioned you are left with lower octane gasoline than you started with, that may or may not be a problem.:drink:

 

[Iowachild]

Ethanol Blend Fuels Have a Short Shelf Life

 

[gerard]

The ethanol as a fuel/additive just tells you how stupid our government is. First of all it takes approximately 4 gal of fuel burned to manufacture 5 gal of ethanol. (Real efficient!!). Then you take that corn out of the food supply chain which raises food prices. Now because corn prices go up, more farmers start growing corn, which raises the prices of remaining crops due to less supply. Farmable land prices in the corn belt are skyrocketing due to the rising price of corn. Ethanol has less BTU's in it than straight gas and causes more engine problems. Just another typical poorly thought out governemt program that won't go away once in place because NO ONE is going to admit they screwed it up AGAIN!

My apologies for digressing off the original thread but unless you're talking about a hundred gallons or more, just burn it up and get rid of it. Great fire starter!