Water in Gasoline (10% Ethanol)

[brokenot]

Non-issue is right! Adding a tiny fraction of isopropyl alcohol will not fix his 25% mix of water/alcohol emulsion and turn it all back into "normal" looking gasoline. The other two ingredients in SeaFoam, naptha and pale oil, will do nothing to the water.
Nope, ain't gonna happen, no common additive will recombine phase separated E10.

I never said adding a tiny fraction of isopropyl would "fix" anything. I was simply responding to your original quote:

I'm not a fan of Seafoam. It is Pale Oil, Naptha and ALCOHOL!

That quote, standing completely on its own as you posted it, sounds provocative. Especially since you typed "alcohol" in all caps like it's a big secret or something.

But provocative it ain't, because anyone that has ever added any isopropyl additive to their tank has exceeded the Seafoam dosage by several times.

And a big secret it also ain't, because just like any other product on the market, a simple Googling with keywords like "Seafoam MSDS" will reveal what's in it.

 

[clemsonfor]

The ethanol as a fuel/additive just tells you how stupid our government is. First of all it takes approximately 4 gal of fuel burned to manufacture 5 gal of ethanol. (Real efficient!!). Then you take that corn out of the food supply chain which raises food prices. Now because corn prices go up, more farmers start growing corn, which raises the prices of remaining crops due to less supply. Farmable land prices in the corn belt are skyrocketing due to the rising price of corn. Ethanol has less BTU's in it than straight gas and causes more engine problems. Just another typical poorly thought out governemt program that won't go away once in place because NO ONE is going to admit they screwed it up AGAIN!

My apologies for digressing off the original thread but unless you're talking about a hundred gallons or more, just burn it up and get rid of it. Great fire starter!

Now the enviro lobby admits ethonol lobby was a huge mistake and want it reveresed. that is the subsidies and mandates etc.

Saw a great story friday on the top 10 government mistakes by John stossel. he had a guy on there who was admitting the enviro lobby was wrong.

 

[Red Horse]

Non-issue is right!
Nope, ain't gonna happen, no common additive will recombine phase separated E10.

Not saying SeaFoam isn't useful for some things but it will not fix the OP's problem and I just refuse to pay $8 for a can with 10 cents worth of ingredients in it

The only solution is to physically separate the two liquids, but then as I mentioned you are left with lower octane gasoline than you started with, that may or may not be a problem.:drink:

Thank you Skyco-I think I was flammed because I was.."in the oil industry for 44 years and never heard of Seafoam". Guess what- I haven't-I went to their website-true its been around forever-if anything that is an indictment as to its ability to treat today's issues. I can't tell you the hours I have spent dealing with the negative PR associated with 10-or 15 cars that crapped out 100 ft down the road after fueling up. And believe me 20 years ago a "water in the gas " issue was an inexpensive fix. What do you think the typical Lexus dealer charges today when a car comes in on the ramp truck with phase separated gas? Scary!

You are absolutely correct-there is no magic fix for phase separated gas. We are talking about someone with a gas can that has an issue. How about a station with a 10,000 gallon UG tank and say 6500 gallons of "gas"/water/ethanol. If its conventional gas, pump the water/ethanol out. If its RFG, you have water/ethanol on the bottom and non-oxygentated R-bob on top. The CORRECT/LEGAL way to fix it is to pump it out and PAY a disposal fee. I won't get into what other solutions might be.

Once again our government has created a mess and left industry and the public to deal with the ramifications.

PS Next time I'm in the parts store I'll see if I can find some Seafoam!-

 

[dodge man]

The logic with Ethanol is the power to make it comes from say a coal or nuke plant. This is used with the corn to make ethanol, and this reduces our dependance on oil. This is one of the first parts of the country that started selling E10, I've been burning it in vehicles for maybe 20 years. The only problem I've had is the stuff I've had sitting around for small engines, it just doesn't last as long.

 

[jonyyuma]

I have used HEET for years to rid the normal water accumulation from gasoline fuel.It has never failed me in the winter, nor after buying watered-fuel at a station.

 

[Quickster2]

Recommend using Marine formula Stabil from now on. I use this stuff and mix into gas containers and directly into the boat and truck (truck gets little winter use) as soon as I fill them.

 

[gerard]

The logic with Ethanol is the power to make it comes from say a coal or nuke plant. This is used with the corn to make ethanol, and this reduces our dependance on oil. This is one of the first parts of the country that started selling E10, I've been burning it in vehicles for maybe 20 years. The only problem I've had is the stuff I've had sitting around for small engines, it just doesn't last as long.

In the current market ethanol only survives with federal subsidies because it's just too expensive to produce. It just doesn't make sense to burn 4 gallons of fuel to make 5 when it's cheaper to pump it out of the ground. You want to reduce forign oil dependence? ****, come up with a way to turn coal into oil. It's almost there already and we have plenty of it. Want to reduce coal use (50% of out electric comes from coal), start building nuke plants again. France has a ton of them with proven designs which should reduce the cost. Cheap power in the long run and if the trend to electric cars continues, we're going to need more electric power anyway. (Otherwise we burn oil in swing plants, to make electric for cars so the cars don't have to burn oil - make sense??)

Lets face it - ethanol from corn is a bust perpetuated by special interests that benefit from the government subsidies.

 

[clemsonfor]

Lets face it - ethanol from corn is a bust perpetuated by special interests that benefit from the government subsidies.

The crazy thing is ( i saw a John Stossel special on government wrongs) that the enviromental lobby now admits that it was wrong and ethonol is hurting the environment and the population more than its helping. Government and some others just wont listen to the studies to correct this wrong?:confused2:

 

[mrutkaus]

i bet Mr. Funnel would separate it.

Mike

 

[dcyrilc]

The crazy thing is ( i saw a John Stossel special on government wrongs) that the enviromental lobby now admits that it was wrong and ethonol is hurting the environment and the population more than its helping. Government and some others just wont listen to the studies to correct this wrong?:confused2:

I don't think that's half as crazy as around here where they're lobbying to remove the hydroelectric dams off the rivers and put in coal and NG plants for power???:confused2:

I just don't understand the idea of getting rid of a power plant which produces 0 emmissions and replacing it with one which has high emmissions. Not to mention all the flood prevention and irrigation benifits we get from them.