15% ethanol in gasoline passes.

[jonyyuma]

Plus, they just built a coal fired plant 20 miles from here across the Miss. river. Now I can have acid-rain too. Jy.

 

[David_Kb7uns]

Nope. Don't sell any fuel.



I like it. We have a choice though, we don't have to use it. I just don't see the problems that are perpetuated on the internet.

I wonder what location his head is hiding. Jellied or cracked fuel system componets are enough proof for me!!!! Now lets begin on the mileage loss and we will have even more reasons.

David Kb7uns

 

[Duffster]

I wonder what location his head is hiding.

Sorry not following ya here?

 

[radioman]

Field corn gets fed to animals for feed. We eat the animals. Same thing, it's all food stocks, just an intermediate step.

What reduced the dependence on foreign oil is the recession and less demand for oil. NOT ethanol. It saves very little if any foreign oil. With Obama throttling U.S. oil production, demand for foreign oil will go up as well as prices.

Ken

And just maybe farmers are now growing field corn instead of sweet corn. Just sayin!

good point guys- but I am kinda hopeful you know. with more land disappearing for more homes and malls, I am hopeful more people get back into farming. corn is the only thing I can think of that is more profitable, if not impossible. we need more food and fuel don't we?

 

[Ken45101]

good point guys- but I am kinda hopeful you know. with more land disappearing for more homes and malls, I am hopeful more people get back into farming. corn is the only thing I can think of that is more profitable, if not impossible. we need more food and fuel don't we?

If you drive across the corn belt, the land being taken for homes and malls is a small drop in a big bucket compared to what is available. Take a drive across Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas.....

 

[dodge man]

I'm not trying to stir the pot, but I see a lot of people saying they have seen this kind of problem, or that kind of problem and it was caused by ethanol. How do you know it was caused by ethanol? For example, the carb on your chainsaw needed rebuilt. Maybe it would have needed rebuilt if it had been running pure gas. You say the fuel line fell apart because of ethanol. Maybe the fuel line fell apart because it is old. People often make observations not based on fact.

I guess what I'm asking has there been any kind of study about the impacts of ethanol on various type of engines and fuel systems?

 

[Ken45101]

I guess what I'm asking has there been any kind of study about the impacts of ethanol on various type of engines and fuel systems?

I would think that the engine manufacturers have done such a study when they put "do not use more than 10% ethanol" or "do not use ethanol gas" in their manuals.

Surely they do not publish such statements without study when they know it will reduce their attractiveness to buyers.

Ken

 

[Gizmo2]

It all boils down to us, the tax payer, lining someones pocket.

 

[crazyal]

I see what you are saying. But right now the demand is not HIGH. if there is more demand for corn, and if more people start getting involved growing corn because it can be profitable, then prices will go down with supply going up with demand. Also whats this garbage about burn our food for fuel. its not sweet corn we are growing for ethanol- its field corn. If local stores need corn, more of us can grow corn for them for extra cash. I know for a fact my local grocery store SUPPORTS the small farmers.

On the other hand I read in the newspaper a few weeks ago saying we literally reduced the dependence on oil import. If making the ethanol production goes up, demand will be there and people like us might start growing corn for extra cash. I know I would.

The flaw in your plan that we can just grow more corn is that something else would have grown in that field. So now you've lowered the price of corn some but have raised the price of other crops. In other words you raise the price of food.

 

[RalphVa]

Think it was Popular Mechanix. They did a test that proved exactly what I've been saying from chemical engineering intuition: given a little bit of water, and you get ethanol & water separating from the gasoline in a separate phase, giving you something that won't freeze, but it won't combust. They added water to either 10 or 15% ethanol/gasoline blend. When they got to 0.5% water, a separate water/ethanol phase came out of solution. That's something like about 4 tablespoons of water in a gallon.

Ralph