RAM 3500 now 800lb.ft and 30,000lb GVWR!

[Builder]

Source?

Ford and Navistar have settled a lengthy legal dispute over diesel engines.
The dispute started in January 2007 when Ford filed a lawsuit against Navistar, arguing that Navistar unjustifiably raised engine prices and had not been paying its share of repair costs for Power Stroke diesel warranty claims.
Ford said it had spent $1 billion on repairs and recalls to fix problems with legacy 6.0-liter Power Stroke diesel engines. Ford further contended that its purchase contract with Navistar allowed it to debit Navistar's invoices to recover those costs, which it had done up to $160 million after filing suit. In response, Navistar temporarily stopped shipping Ford its new 6.4-liter Power Stroke diesel engines and filed a countersuit seeking several hundred millions of dollars because Ford intended to introduce a new diesel engine that was designed by International Truck and Engine Corporation before its joint-manufacturing agreement with Navistar expired in 2011.
In a press release issued on Navistar's website, Navistar states the two companies will end their current diesel engine supply agreement effective Dec. 31, 2009. Ford will pay an unspecified amount to Navistar, but both companies will continue to collaborate on a range of other initiatives going forward.

Pretty safe to say 1 billion in warranty claims is the most or the worlds record, eh duffster?

 

[Duffster]

Pretty safe to say 1 billion in warranty claims is the most or the worlds record, eh duffster?

Nope, just another assumption. Kinda like how most people live where it don't get cold.

 

[JB4310]

Pretty safe to say 1 billion in warranty claims is the most or the worlds record, eh duffster?

No, not that many vehicles involved, most of that billion dollars went to the cab off frame requirment to access routine engine repairs on a FEW trucks :laughing:

Or was that the next gen 6.4? Oh well,
Just imagine the shade tree mechanic, better have some strong limbs.

That is enough to have me run away with my good hand covering my butt!

JB.

 

[tlbuser]

Yep. GM's aren't exempt from that dilemma either. That was why I looked at and bought my Dodge. The fact that they had the only true 3500 cab and chassis was a plus for me.
Just gotta remember these guys are pi--ing about p/u trucks. Different animal altogether

 

[Egon]

Is that the assembly line that sets Ford cabs on a Dodge Chassis???

 

[Ford850]

Is that the assembly line that sets Ford cabs on a Dodge Chassis???

Now THAT was funny! Good one Egon.

 

[Peacock]

I worked at a Ford dealer from 2000-04. I did diesel repairs and am still friends with the diesel techs at the dealer. The reputation of the early 6.0L's is IMO not blown out of proportion. They were junk in every sense. We had soooo many internal engine problems with everything from headgaskets to valve guides to cranks breaking. Ford must have had 5 or more different calibrations come out for the modules to address all the different concerns on those things.

I realize that by 2005 the engine had gotten quite a bit better. It still isn't anything I'd want. My dealer group now owns the Ford dealer(Wetzel Ford) and the service director works right next to my bays. He jokes with me pretty often about the boat anchor 6.0 and 6.4 Ford engines.

I now work as a Honda tech at a dealer that also services Dodge. The 6.7L Cummins has a small fraction of the problems of the 6.0 or 6.4. We've yet to pull one apart. We've done a bunch of turbo's, a few DPF's and done a bunch of recalibrations. The problems seem to be limited to the '07's only with the occasional '08.

The Ford electronics are overly complicated and until the commonrail 6.4 they used an antiquated fuel system. Why complicate a diesel? The Ford and GM trucks won't lug worth a darn either. The Cummins is the benchmark.

 

[deerefan]

I worked at a Ford dealer from 2000-04. I did diesel repairs and am still friends with the diesel techs at the dealer. The reputation of the early 6.0L's is IMO not blown out of proportion. They were junk in every sense. We had soooo many internal engine problems with everything from headgaskets to valve guides to cranks breaking. Ford must have had 5 or more different calibrations come out for the modules to address all the different concerns on those things.

I realize that by 2005 the engine had gotten quite a bit better. It still isn't anything I'd want. My dealer group now owns the Ford dealer(Wetzel Ford) and the service director works right next to my bays. He jokes with me pretty often about the boat anchor 6.0 and 6.4 Ford engines.

I now work as a Honda tech at a dealer that also services Dodge. The 6.7L Cummins has a small fraction of the problems of the 6.0 or 6.4. We've yet to pull one apart. We've done a bunch of turbo's, a few DPF's and done a bunch of recalibrations. The problems seem to be limited to the '07's only with the occasional '08.

The Ford electronics are overly complicated and until the commonrail 6.4 they used an antiquated fuel system. Why complicate a diesel? The Ford and GM trucks won't lug worth a darn either. The Cummins is the benchmark.

This is why I got away from a diesel. Too complicated and too expensive to fix. IF I ever go back, Cummins will likely be my choice. Luckily, the 6.0 in my 06 F250 was flawless and performed perfectly. Was getting close to being out of warranty and did not want to be hit with a huge repair bill on a truck I still owed money on.

 

[Dargo]

And the 6L before those model years set the world's record for the most warranty claims of any diesel engine ever built. Hurray Ford. Even grouped together they had a vast number of warrany claims in the 100's of millions causing the split of the Ford/IH marriage.

I'm just replying to your post so you'll post something else to get us all laughing more. Ever thought about doing stand up comedy since that building thing isn't working out so well for ya? :laughing:

 

[Peacock]

This is why I got away from a diesel. Too complicated and too expensive to fix. IF I ever go back, Cummins will likely be my choice. Luckily, the 6.0 in my 06 F250 was flawless and performed perfectly. Was getting close to being out of warranty and did not want to be hit with a huge repair bill on a truck I still owed money on.

It's also why I have a mechanically injected truck like in my sig.

Some guys seemed to have great luck with the 6.0L. Others were beyond horrible. Didn't seem to be much in between.