Foton 254 starting problem

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#21  
I'm going to have to figure out how to get this thing into the garage so I can warm it up. Not an easy task when it's cold. I'm wondering when I was pouring warm water on the starter at first if more water leaked in under the ring gear that I can't see? That was a pretty dumb thing to do I admit but I guess learn the hard way.
 
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#22  
Well,,, crap!! tried turning over the flywheel with no go! I so hope it's not seized!! Now the fun begins!! First thing I got to get this tractor in a warm garage to rule out possible freeze because it's **** cold up here now! Looks like I can turn the water pump cause I have it plugged in now. The block is starting to warm up but I also noticed I was low, about 2 liters of antifreeze. Talked to a parts fellow out east and said to check the bell housing bolts which can loosen and jam the flywheel, no visible signs on that anyway till I get in the garage. Also if there is water in the tranny or the fluid in the engine is seized. I hope were not talking a costly repair!!

Cory
 
   / Foton 254 starting problem #23  
Well, if your coolant was 2 liters low you shouldn't have done any major damage to the block even if it did freeze up. The block will only crack if there's no place for the expanding water to go - in your case it had a good bit of room, I'd guess. And as long as the remaining coolant was the proper mix for the temperatures, it shouldn't freeze anyway.

You did have the compression release open when you tried to turn it over, right? Makes a huge difference, of course. With extremely cold oil and full compression it would be extremely difficult to turn a diesel over by hand.

A warm garage would make working on it much more comfortable and would allow you (eventually, after thawing) to rule out the flywheel being iced up and frozen in place.

Perform the usual checks for oil in the coolant, coolant in the oil pan, etc. That will determine if you have a blown head gasket. If so, you'll want to get it opened up as soon as possible and clean out the cylinders that have gotten coolant in them, before any damage to rings, pistons and cylinder liners occurs. While you're at it, check the engine to see if any of the core plugs (sometimes called "freeze plugs") show signs of being shifted or pushed out.

Things may not be too bad - you just have to take it one step at a time and determine what is happening. It is a pain in the butt to have to do it during the dead of winter, though.
 
   / Foton 254 starting problem #24  
Cory, if you can get a socket on the nut for the belt pulley and an 18 inch or longer ratchet wrench you can turn the crank shaft by hand. I use a 6 point metric 36 mm socket.
 
   / Foton 254 starting problem #25  
Cory, if you can get a socket on the nut for the belt pulley and an 18 inch or longer ratchet wrench you can turn the crank shaft by hand. I use a 6 point metric 36 mm socket.

The flywheel isn't the best place to try and turn it over by hand. It is hard to get a lot of leverage that way. The above suggestion with the compression release engaged and gearbox in neutral is the best way IMO...
 
   / Foton 254 starting problem #26  
If the engine is stuck, a possible cause might be ice in your hydraulic system. I've never seen a Foton but I assume you have an engine driven hydraulic pump. It doesn't take much ice to bind up the hydraulic system, and some tractors seem to accumulate a lot of moisture in the hydraulic oil, probably from condensation.

Saw this happen on an old Oliver 55. If that is the problem with your tractor it will probably start after you get it warm.

Stan
 
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Hey everyone, I think the conclusion here is pretty obvious in that it's the cold weather. Last night and tonight are windchill warnings below -42C !! With the moisture that this tractor has had in the last while, I'm pretty sure that it's completely frozen! Gonna wait till Saturday where we might hit a balming -8C where I could tow the tractor into the garage and let it thaw out! Funny thing is in the last 2 weeks we've hit the plus side for weather and than BAM, -35C, your asking for trouble with that abrupt change in temperature that fast.

Cory
 
   / Foton 254 starting problem #28  
Like you said get it in the garage and warm it up. If you have a loader you can raise it with a jack or another loader. Just lift and hold the handle back on the loader valve at the same time. I have had to do this with a Case Loader before. Block it up with some wood or steel.

When you thaw it out make sure the drain hole on the bottom of the bell housing is clear. Check it as you warm it a few times as trash may block it.

Chris
 
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#29  
Hey everyone, GOOD NEWS, it was the ice!! Left it in a warm garage for 24 hours and it thawed and dried out completely including water in the bell housing which froze the ring gear. Did some maintenance including tightening up bolts and away she went moving snow! It also looked like my water pump bolts were a tad loose as I was leaking antifreeze from there so I checked after running it for an hour and it was dry.

Thank goodness!!!

Cory
 
   / Foton 254 starting problem #30  
Glad you got it up and running.

Chris
 

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