Off Road---Home Heating oil

[SixHoeBob]

I am starting to wonder about all of the empty grape Kool-Aid packets that were laying around my HHO tank?

 

[sparrowhawk]

I am starting to wonder about all of the empty grape Kool-Aid packets that were laying around my HHO tank?

Maybe an ex??

 

[crazyal]

This is what I was told by more than one HHO company. As of Oct of 07 it became illegal for them to sell high sulfur heating oil for use in any movable engine. I didn't ask if that was a state or federal law but I'm guessing federal. Before the switch to low Sulfur HHO and off road were the same thing. But the sulfur is a natural lubricant and when they removed it they had to add an additive to compensate. Low and ultra low Sulfur doesn't have the lubricant added and should not be ran.

Now this is coming from companies that sell HHO and off road at the same price or with in a few cents of each other (depends on the company). The one who came out to deliver fuel for my house actually switched hoses before fulling up my dozer and told me that their trucks have two tanks in them. During the winter they have HHO in one and switch back and forth between off road and Kerosene in the other tank.

So if it's high sulfur you can run it but it's most likely illegal. If it's low or ultra low HHO it may not lubricate your injectors and pump and you may end up replacing them sooner than expected.

 

[clemsonfor]

This is what I was told by more than one HHO company. As of Oct of 07 it became illegal for them to sell high sulfur heating oil for use in any movable engine. I didn't ask if that was a state or federal law but I'm guessing federal. Before the switch to low Sulfur HHO and off road were the same thing. But the sulfur is a natural lubricant and when they removed it they had to add an additive to compensate. Low and ultra low Sulfur doesn't have the lubricant added and should not be ran.

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You have me confused? LSD and ULSD have an added Lubericant cause of the natural lubricity of sulfer had been removed in the sulpher lowering process. So if the HHO is high sulfer it has the natural lubricationg properties right?
Your last sentence says that "ULSD and LSD don't have the lubricant added and should not be ran." Is this ran is your furnace or tractor? I think you still want lube in your furnace as there is still a pump to pump the oil? You also need lube in your tractor or truck engine which is why they add the lube. You personally can add marvel mystery oil or some other to the fuel to increase the lubricity or 2 stroke oil.

Please just clarify where the lube is and why they said you cant use it.

 

[RickB]

Today I was telling neighbor about a location to buy off road at regular service station.
He was telling me that as of Feb 1st of this year ..Heating oil and off road is now the same thing .There is no difference !!! Anyone else able to agree or disagree..
This info came from manager at the local Southern States.Coop.

The question of sulfur content in HHO is one to be answered by a particular fuel supplier, not a question to be answered by a random internet audience scattered around the world, or even North America. And I don't mean to ask the delivery driver who may or may not know. Ask someone in the office who is paid to make sure fuel standards and rules are followed.

Legislated sulfur content is one factor, also to be considered is the ability and desire of the retailer and distribution network to segregate and store 3 fuels (HHO, offroad ULSD, and onroad ULSD). Increasingly in this area I am hearing that All #2 Diesel (on and off road)and HHO are at the ULS specification. This happened well ahead of regulatory dates as refiners and distributers streamlined inventories in anticipation of new standards.

 

[crazyal]

You have me confused? LSD and ULSD have an added Lubericant cause of the natural lubricity of sulfer had been removed in the sulpher lowering process. So if the HHO is high sulfer it has the natural lubricationg properties right?
Your last sentence says that "ULSD and LSD don't have the lubricant added and should not be ran." Is this ran is your furnace or tractor? I think you still want lube in your furnace as there is still a pump to pump the oil? You also need lube in your tractor or truck engine which is why they add the lube. You personally can add marvel mystery oil or some other to the fuel to increase the lubricity or 2 stroke oil.

Please just clarify where the lube is and why they said you cant use it.

My last sentence was about low and ultra low Home Heating oil only. The distributors that dealers around here buy their HHO from do not add any lubricant to it but they do for both the on road and off road diesels. As for the oil pump on a furnace and how it compares to injectors and injector pumps (and the differences in pressures each pump operates at) I wouldn't know. I just told you what I was told.

The driver of main company I use is also the owner. He started out owning one truck while his wife ran the office but now has three trucks. He has a guy in the office who does things like billing and pricing (since it's set at the beginning of the day). When it comes to scheduling the guy in the office calls the owner and then calls you back.

I think RickB hit the nail on the head. It's best to call the people you deal with and find out just what they sell.

 

[rd_macgregor]

Right now in our province, the price difference between HHO and road diesel is over 25 cents/liter. This amounts to nearly $1/US gallon...considerable incentive to consider the substitution of HHO for pump diesel. I use a bit more than 150 gallons per year, so I certainly could save enough to buy a few cases of beer.
BOB

 

[bironacad]

It is interesting to hear all the different colours and regs in the States, here in Ontario, Canada, not Ohio we have two colours. Coloured diesel is called farm diesel and non coloured is sold for non farm road vehicles. Farm vehicles have farm plates. Our coloured diesel (farm) is green, go figure, our money isn't, lol. No colour in HHO either. We pay 38 cents a litre in tax for fuel then an HST (Harmonized Sales Tax) of 13% on everything.

For those concerned about the environment, Diesel as a fuel gives 30% more bang for the buck! Which most are aware of here on this forum, no doubt, and more efficiency under load. Europe has been using diesel almost exclusively in automobiles for years, for just this reason. Oil refiners and producers would not want us using diesel, as we could cut their production accordingly, something to think about for the conspiracy, aluminum foil hat guys. Why is diesel slightly higher than gas? because it keeps the perception that it is more expensive. My full size, 2500 quad cab, CTD, weighing in at 7,590 pounds empty, gets, 24 miles to the gallon hwy, my TDI jetta gets 1000 km to 55 litres, 55 liter = 14.529 462 88 gallon [US, liquid]1 000 kilometer = 621.371 192 24 miles which is: 42.76 miles per gallon combined mileage.
Let me repeat that:42.76 miles per gallon combined mileage.
Cut your cost drive a diesel:thumbsup:

 

[dynasim]

If everyone drove a diesel, the system wouldn't work. European governments now provide incentives to not buy diesel personal transportation.

The sequence is this:

You can only make so much diesel out of crude oil.

You can transform diesel into gasoline.

If everyone consumes only diesel, we will have a surplus of gas, with no where to go.

There are two reasons why diesel is more expensive now:

1) The equipment to make ULSD is very expensive. Most of the small refiners have gotten out of the diesel busines, leaving a supply gap. Remember when the fascist said that the ULSD transistion was going to cost 0.1-3c/gallon?

2) As fuel prices go up, people are driven to buy the more efficient(diesel) vehicles(even if they are perceived as being dirty, smelly, and maintenance hogs(note the word perceived). Since the amount of diesel from crude is limited, we run into a wall, and diesel prices must increase to inhibit its use.

The law of unintended consequences is not revocable.

Chris

 

[bironacad]

If everyone drove a diesel, the system wouldn't work. European governments now provide incentives to not buy diesel personal transportation.

The sequence is this:

You can only make so much diesel out of crude oil.

You can transform diesel into gasoline.

If everyone consumes only diesel, we will have a surplus of gas, with no where to go.

There are two reasons why diesel is more expensive now:

1) The equipment to make ULSD is very expensive. Most of the small refiners have gotten out of the diesel busines, leaving a supply gap. Remember when the fascist said that the ULSD transistion was going to cost 0.1-3c/gallon?

2) As fuel prices go up, people are driven to buy the more efficient(diesel) vehicles(even if they are perceived as being dirty, smelly, and maintenance hogs(note the word perceived). Since the amount of diesel from crude is limited, we run into a wall, and diesel prices must increase to inhibit its use.

The law of unintended consequences is not revocable.

Chris

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