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   / Cutting / Groving / Siping R-4 for snow #91  
Guys, this is super interesting to me as I plow on quite a slope. Could you please keep us updated as to how they perform this summer without the snow?
 
   / Cutting / Groving / Siping R-4 for snow #92  
Guys, this is super interesting to me as I plow on quite a slope. Could you please keep us updated as to how they perform this summer without the snow?

I will tell you right now, these tires were GOOD in Summer before, and they will be incredible NOW in summer! You really won't be disappointed. :thumbsup:
 
   / Cutting / Groving / Siping R-4 for snow #93  
Looks like I am going to order one of these irons, but I will wait till its a little warmer before I "Cut / Grove / Sipe" my tires, :thumbsup:. Thanks for all the good pictures and information, :thumbsup:. KC :D :D :D
 
   / Cutting / Groving / Siping R-4 for snow #94  
I did my tires in my garage where it was about 55-60 degrees. Warmer might make tires a bit softer, but I'm not sure how much.......
 
   / Cutting / Groving / Siping R-4 for snow #95  
My Tires are..............GROOVY! :laughing:
 
   / Cutting / Groving / Siping R-4 for snow #96  
Deadman, you are killing me. I gotta have a tire cutter, will start shopping now. I found on page 7 of this thread where you show your work, and it looks great! I think you stated you used a #5 on back and a #3 on front and wished you'd used a #4 up front. My tractor is a bit larger so I might want to use a #6 in back where the lugs are like small continents. I looked up the specs on the cutter sizes. I assume that when they say the #6 cutter is 3/8" wide, that means it makes a 3/8" groove. Thanks for your enthusiasm...
 

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I will just caution that if you use a groove size that is too big (and I'm not sure what too big is) the snow might not hold in the groove as well and this might diminish traction. With the #4 iron I noticed that groove depth should exceed groove width to hold snow well.

If I had a larger tractor with very large lugs, I would probably make multiple smaller grooves rather than one big groove. In theory this should work better. :thumbsup:

I'm so glad deadman grooved his tires. After trying mine I seriously tried to dampen my response because I could hardly believe the difference and I thought everyone here would just think I was crazy!

Grooving definitely works wonders for these R-4's!:thumbsup:
 
   / Cutting / Groving / Siping R-4 for snow #98  
I wonder how grooving the R4's affects tire wear during non snow conditions. Out in the woods, climbing over rocks, stumps, etc. Deadman, gladehound keep us apprized!
 
   / Cutting / Groving / Siping R-4 for snow #99  
I wonder how grooving the R4's affects tire wear during non snow conditions. Out in the woods, climbing over rocks, stumps, etc. Deadman, gladehound keep us apprized!


As far as the wear goes, I'd rather have a tire that has traction and wears out in a few years. The R4's had little traction and would have put me thru many years of spinning and sliding around. I'd be more than happy even if these Grooves made my R4's wear twice as fast. I know they won't wear twice as fast, but honestly I won't be upset if they do wear out faster.

Like Gladehound said, its almost impossible to put into word how much better these tires are now. Until someone tries this themselves, it will never set in like mine has. Honestly, traction has more than doubled in snow. :thumbsup:


On the size of your cuts, ya, the blades are numbered and that is a standard measurement I believe. I used the smaller knife on my fronts, because i know I can always cut them larger if needed. I tried it on a junk tire I had laying around, and then measured and examined it to be sure that was the width and depth that I wanted. I cut my fronts about 3/4 the way thru the lugs depth wise. The rears are much less in comparison, because the lugs are so much beefier. I can always cut them again in a few years if its necessary.

I liked the angles on my front cuts, because that offers "side traction", and some "forward traction". I needed the side traction the most, and that has helped. I think they will be awesome in the dirt, but I won't know until mother nature melts the blanket of snow!
 
   / Cutting / Groving / Siping R-4 for snow #100  
It sure seems that grooving improves an R4! And your comment about tire wear is a good one- like filters, they are expendable; if they do twice the work, then double the cost is not an issue.

And now another question: Are all R4 tire patterns the same? I can't believe that the mfrs haven't come up with a better pattern that what you started grooving. Do they not consider the differing ground conditions (mud, snow, pavement) when they design a tread? For our cars we have the option of selecting "All Weather" tires.
 

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