Neighbor's dobermans on my land, protecting "their" property ...??

[IslandTractor]

Does anyone on this forum ever think of being "neighborly" and sharing rather than paranoid and selfish?

You country folk like to rag on city/suburban dwellers but frankly the urban envirnoment sounds like heaven compared to the mean spirited attitudes expressed by some of our country bred members here.

Where I live we don't shoot neighborhood dogs, we don't have that many fences and the ones we have are to keep kids from getting into the street. We share community tasks and generally aim to bend over backwards to help each other. I though that was the sort of life people in the country were proud of but what I see posted here is nothing more than paranoid isolationist mumblings accompanied by gun toting trash talk.

Frankly, I'm surprised as my bias (and experience) has always been that people in the country were more conscious of and involved with their neighbors at least partially because you depend on each other more. I guess not.

 

[Transit]

Nice when it can be done. What do you do when you are face to face with a dog that is going to bite now?

 

[Car Doc]

Well about living in the country.....its a myth that ALL country people are like Dolly Pardon or Andy Griffith its quite the contrary!

That's where the people who generally don't want to get along move too so they can have their dogs run wild and have farm animals and trash all over the place and live like pigs themselves and do their drugs and whatnot.

You have to be tougher than them and stand up say whats on your mind or they will run over you. There are good people no doubt not saying that but not everyone is one and we do look out for one another believe it!!!

 

[TMR]

I agree...I live in the country and know most of our neighbors' dogs. Our neighbors would bring a "misplaced" dog home to its' owner...rather than either calling the police or shooting the dog. In turn, the neighbor would feel bad for the "bother" and slightly embarrassed that their dog had "wandered".

While I suppose you could construct a situation where a god was truly "mean" and aggressive...but most of my neighbors would likely take care of their OWN dog if it were a problem.

I guess we are just lucky to have nice neighbors with "friendly" dogs...have no recollection for the last 20 years of any dog attacking anyone in our township. Seems like most "bad" dogs are bred and trained to be such by their owners.

Heck...we treat the bears better than you guys treat your neighbors dogs ...TMR

Does anyone on this forum ever think of being "neighborly" and sharing rather than paranoid and selfish?

You country folk like to rag on city/suburban dwellers but frankly the urban envirnoment sounds like heaven compared to the mean spirited attitudes expressed by some of our country bred members here.

Where I live we don't shoot neighborhood dogs, we don't have that many fences and the ones we have are to keep kids from getting into the street. We share community tasks and generally aim to bend over backwards to help each other. I though that was the sort of life people in the country were proud of but what I see posted here is nothing more than paranoid isolationist mumblings accompanied by gun toting trash talk.

Frankly, I'm surprised as my bias (and experience) has always been that people in the country were more conscious of and involved with their neighbors at least partially because you depend on each other more. I guess not.

 

[IslandTractor]

Nice when it can be done. What do you do when you are face to face with a dog that is going to bite now?

Good question. First, what are the odds of such an attack?

US statistics show that over the past ten years or so there are an average of about twenty to thirty fatal attacks per year nationwide. That is up a bit since the 1990s possibly due to increased popularity of the Pitt Bull. A CDC study of the 1990's decade showed about 60% of those were by Pitt Bulls and Rotweillers (one was by a Pomeranian). http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

Adult men were least likely to be the victims, boys from 5-9 most likely. Also, strange dogs were not always the culprits, family dogs or family friend's dogs were more likely to be the attackers. Only 20% of fatal dog bite attacks involved an attack off the owner's property. Doberman Pinschers account for less than one fatal attack per year nationwide.

So, we have all this brouhaha over something that is less likely than a lightening strike. Indeed, I seriously wonder if any man on a tractor has ever been killed or maimed by a dog.

The dogs in this incident were clearly behaving normally in protecting their turf. They were easily called off. They would very likely, almost certainly, have done nothing more than bark furiously at the tractor had they come any closer as that is precisely what guard dogs do by instinct.

All the huffing and puffing and trash talk here about shooting dogs belies a profound ignorance of reality by those who have made such statements. The risk of a serious dog attack in the circumstances outlined by the OP is next to nil. Read the data before jumping to conclusions.

 

[Car Doc]

Islandtractor,

fyi just in my area there are numerous dog attacks all the time and pit pulls are the main breed that is doing them.

Just down the road from me a pit ran and attacked a guy I know in his own yard and had him so badly mauled he **** near bled to death before emt's showed up. Oh and the police had to kill it on site he tried to get them also.

The owners brother barely got the dog off while his wife watched him get torn to pieces and he laid there in shock with gashes in his forearms so deep you could see his bones. He moved after he healed up.

Yes it does happen regularly all over so just do the research its not isolated incidents.

 

[Transit]

Again, very nice to know. Bees should not be able to fly but they do. Dogs, like Bees can't read and statistics mean nothing to them. Now you could take the time to explain all the stats while the dog is champing on your leg.
Let us know how that works out?

 

[IslandTractor]

Islandtractor,

fyi just in my area there are numerous dog attacks all the time and pit pulls are the main breed that is doing them.

Just down the road from me a pit ran and attacked a guy I know in his own yard and had him so badly mauled he **** near bled to death before emt's showed up. Oh and the police had to kill it on site he tried to get them also.

The owners brother barely got the dog off while his wife watched him get torn to pieces and he laid there in shock with gashes in his forearms so deep you could see his bones. He moved after he healed up.

Yes it does happen regularly all over so just do the research its not isolated incidents.

That is correct. It does happen all over the country but the data presented by the CDC is a more systematic and comprehensive view of the severity of the problem than our individual memories of incidents.

I would certainly be extra cautious of a Pitt Bull, no question about it. Dobermans, despite their fearsome look and history as guard/police/war dogs are not nearly as aggressive. Lots of real data to back up that statement.

 

[IslandTractor]

Again, very nice to know. Bees should not be able to fly but they do. Dogs, like Bees can't read and statistics mean nothing to them. Now you could take the time to explain all the stats while the dog is champing on your leg.
Let us know how that works out?

Do you always dismiss data that doesn't fit with your biases? The data I quoted was not from some journalist, it was from the CDC. Professional epidemiologists with no particular beef against or for dogs. Why respond with rediculous statements instead of considering the data?

 

[Pilot]

Yes, the number of fatal attacks if fairly low. That doesn't begin to tell the whole story.

How many attacks are survived?

How many people were hospitalized due to attacks?

How many had to visit an ER, but were not admitted?

How many had to undergo rabies treatment because the dog could not be found. Rabies treatment isn't pleasant.

There are a lot more attacks where the person survived. And many are scarred for life, physically and emotionally.

Just counting fatal attacks doesn't give a very useful picture. An attack by a large, strong angry dog is a very unpleasant experience that I wouldn't wish on anyone.