Neighbor's dobermans on my land, protecting "their" property ...??

[Obed]

Well, a few of these posts appear to be almost on the verge of goading Beppington into doing something. He's the one that has these neighbors and will have to live with the consequences of whatever he chooses to do. This problem didn't happen overnight and an overnight solution may not be the best one.

A man a lot smarter than me once said you can't be efficient in dealing with people. You can only hope to be effective. Sometimes that requires an investment of time and effort.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[chucko]

My first thought was BBQ chicken but a dog on my side of the fence would be a much more neutral solution. If chickens just naturally trespass beyond the owner's control they run the risk of natural response from my dog.

Pat

I think I know where he can get a couple of dobermans

 

[Bison]

AFAIAC i expect a neighbor dog owner to keep his dog(s) on his own property.period.
If he refuses to do that, then he has to bear the consequencys.
In the case of friendly dogs, i grab them by the tail first time around and give them a spanking,they usually don't come back for a second round.
In the case of rothweilers and such I personally give the owner one warning to keep his dogs home,i tell him too, if i see them the second time they die.

A good neighbor makes sure the dog stays home or he takes care of the matter himself.
If i have to do it for him then he aint a good neighbor to start with and i really couldn't care less what he thinks or says if i kill the dog(s).

It has happened the odd time.

 

[johnrex62]

I don't have a dog in this fight, , but here is my :2cents: .

Dogs are instinctively protective of their territory and will protect it. They will make noise and posture to drive the invader off and will often pursue it a short distance to ensure it doesnt return. This is a trait of a good watch/guard dog, and training will limit the pursuit to specific boundries.

As the owner of a watch dog, I am endeared to those traits. I am also protective of my dogs and do my best to keep them to my property by setting their boundaries inside my property lines using fence and for one dog and boundary collar.

As an infrequent neighbor, the dogs are incapable of knowing you are not an invader to their territory and are reacting appropriately as far as they are concerned. Your best approach would be to become a known quantity to them and they will be less and less inclined to harass you as you become non-threatening to them.

I would approach your neighbors and endeavor to make friends with the animals. They will recognize your scent and accept you as belonging. They will be able to associate the scent of your family as belonging to you and accept them as well. After a while, they will ignore you as they would your neighbor and bark only enough to remind you that they are there.

Until that time, I would suggest "assisting" your neighbor to reinforce "your" side of the fenceline. From your picture it appears there is a 1320 foot common border between you and the dogs and a 660 foot line running from that common border toward your picnic area. It would seem to me that the dogs are charging that common border and you are afraid they will follow around the ends toward you. Unless they perceive an ongoing threat it would be very unlikely for them to follow that far. Most dogs will feel they have driven off a threat in fewer than a hundred feet, so a 1320 foot boundry would be more than sufficient, and if you chose to fence the 660 foot line, it would mean an additional chase of an unusual distance to get to you. If the dogs are not already motivated to jump or crawl under the fence and chase you a hundred feet to get to you, it is beyond imagination that they will run half a mile along a fence to catch you.

If you are willing to put up that much fence to protect yourself and your family, I think you would be safe enough without any further effort. If you do that and make friends with the dogs, I think everyone will be able to live in full peace and harmony.

As the dog owner, I would be hesitant to put such a hole in my dog protection by letting you become friendly, afterall they are there to keep other people off the property. At the same time it would make my life better if they quit barking at you all the time, so maybe it is a good compromise.

 

[jomar215]

I know that my dogs do a lot of things without asking my permission and I feel that if they get pepper sprayed for scaring someone it is their own fault. I would feel differently if they were on a leash I was holding at the time, but if they are off property without me along they are on their own.

I am not saying I would be dismissive if someone was deliberately abusing my animals while they were out of bounds, but a reason response such as pepper spray is totally reasonable even if I know my dog won't bite.

I feel that if a dog is off control, it is beyond the owner's right to be offended by any disciplinary action it might be subjected to. If the dog is killed, there is some justification that must be demonstrated that the killing was necessary, but I don't think the owner has a leg to stand on if they were not in control of their animal and the action can be defended by circumstances.

I love my dogs and would feel terrible if they were killed for any reason, but I am aware of my responsibilities to control them and protect them from harm through that control. I also recognize that they do not understand this and will escape my protection from time to time and I have to accept that there is the possibility they will not come home when they do this. I think that any owner that does not accept their responsibility for this potential scenario is simply being irresponsible. Sure you do your best and they still get out, but you cannot shift the burden of care of your dog to someone else because dogs will be dogs. I don't allow a three year old with a baseball bat to go into a glass shop and expect to be exempt from any damage they cause or incur simply because they are too young to know better. If they get hurt it is my fault, not the shop owner's or the kid's. If my dogs get pepper sprayed or worse it is my fault and not the dog's or their "attacker's".

DITTO!