buck12
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When my tractor is in the garden it's a garden tractor. When it's not in the garden it's a CUT
Where do you draw the line between a garden tractor and a CUT?
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Nicely said. :thumbsup:
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Threads like this makes me wonder if the O.P is just going for "replies" on there easily arguable posts..... Must have been a member of there schools debate team also.
I know some people just like to fully outfit there, as I call them riding LAWN mower with there completely AD-ON belt-driven tillers, snow blowers and such with the AD-ON front/rear implement lift equipment that does not come standard with the riding lawn mower, thus the more evolved garden 'tractor' is born. To me, that is still not close to a CUT.
JD had a system, chart, rating, whatever, when I bought the 790 that was based on 'acres of ground' to size/hp for there compact/utility tractors for wich help the customer choose the rite size tractor.
Did not see any lawn/garden tractors in that 'acres' rating, but a few cuts
SO... I agree with JD's 'acres' rating, size and standard equipment available with the tractor make it, well... a tractor. Something not found on standard garden TRACTORS
I think acreage ratings are overrated. We have 20 acres. I mow two miles of trails. What HP is required for that? I could do it with a riding lawn mower with a 3' deck or I could do it with a 5' finish deck on a 50HP utility tractor. Either way, it would get done in about the same amount of time.
You really need to define your chores before you buy a machine. It can't be based on acreage alone for a tractor that has to perform multiple functions.
jenkinsph
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I agree, and realistically you need to get a tractor the correct size for most of your jobs. I find that most people seem to buy a tractor that is too small for their work. They must be comparing their prior mower size to the tractors and thinking what they need is a "little bigger" while in reality it needs to be far bigger. I would be cautious about buying a little tractor with very many hours as it probably has been overloaded.
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We bought a large 50PTOHP tractor loader to get our land in shape: cutting in the road, removing large trees and stumps and brush hogging several acres three times a year. Once the big tasks were done, we downsized to a tractor that could perform our normal, everyday tasks well. We didn't need an 8000# lawn mower! :laughing:
Dr_Zinj
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Don't know why you'd need 22 hp for just a lawn mower, unless you've got a bad case of ironwood growing in your yard. But if it makes your riding mower feel better and perform like a CUT, who am I to argue tractor psychology?
Personally, I don't think any machine weighing over 500 pounds qualifies as a lawnmower; no matter what the hp. Even with wide tires, something that heavy compresses the ground with use, and eventually messes up the lawn. (Just to qualify it, I only consider it a lawn if it's within 100 feet of the house. Farther than that, it's a field.)
Someone made the point about the engine & transmission being integral with the framework versus being mounted to a frame as being the difference between a *UT and a lawn & garden tractor. The ability to mount a 3-point hitch with a 540 rpm PTO is another good point of differentiation.
Don't know why you'd need 22 hp for just a lawn mower, unless you've got a bad case of ironwood growing in your yard. But if it makes your riding mower feel better and perform like a CUT, who am I to argue tractor psychology?
Personally, I don't think any machine weighing over 500 pounds qualifies as a lawnmower; no matter what the hp. Even with wide tires, something that heavy compresses the ground with use, and eventually messes up the lawn. (Just to qualify it, I only consider it a lawn if it's within 100 feet of the house. Farther than that, it's a field.)
Someone made the point about the engine & transmission being integral with the framework versus being mounted to a frame as being the difference between a *UT and a lawn & garden tractor. The ability to mount a 3-point hitch with a 540 rpm PTO is another good point of differentiation.
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JDgreen227
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When my tractor is in the garden it's a garden tractor. When it's not in the garden it's a CUT
What about when it's in the repair shop....is it a CUSS then?
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IIRC the BX series Kubotas have the engine and tranny mounted to a frame (shift driven tranny), but they have a 3ph, mid/rear PTO and such.
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Probably the easiest way is to park them side by side on the some dirt. Then take a stick and draw the line right between them in the dirt.
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Tractor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Compact Utility Tractor
In the middle is a 24 hp (18 kW) diesel CUT illustrating the size difference between a small 40 hp farm tractor and a garden tractorA Compact Utility Tractor, also called a CUT is a smaller version of an agricultural tractor but designed primarily for landscaping and estate management type tasks rather than for planting and harvesting on a commercial scale. Typical CUTs range in from 20 to 50 horsepower (15-37 kW) with available power take off (PTO) horsepower ranging from 15 to 45 hp (11-34 kW). CUTs are often equipped with both a mid-mounted PTO and a standard rear PTO, especially those below 40 horsepower (30 kW). The mid-mount PTO shaft typically rotates at/near 2000 rpms and is typically used to power such implements as mid-mount finish mower, a front mounted snow blower or front mounted rotary broom. The rear PTO is standardized at 540 rpms for the North American markets, but in some parts of the world a dual 540/1000 rpm PTO is standard and implements are available for either standard in those markets.
Howse brand modular Subsoiler mounted to a tractor
Broadcast seeder mounted to a Kubota Compact Utility TractorOne of the most common attachment for a Compact Utility Tractor is the front end loader or FEL. Like the larger agricultural tractors, a CUT will have an adjustable three-point hitch that is hydraulically controlled. Typically a CUT will have four wheel drive, or more correctly 4 wheel assist. Modern Compact Utility Tractors often feature a Hydrostatic transmission, but many variants of gear drive transmissions are also offered from low priced simple gear transmissions to synchronized transmissions to advanced glide-shift transmissions. All modern CUTs feature a government mandated roll over protection structure (ROPS) just like agricultural tractors. The most well known brands in North America include Kubota, John Deere Tractor, New Holland Ag, Case-Farmall and Massey-Ferguson. Although less common, compact backhoes are often attached to compact utility tractors.
JD 71 Flexi Planter for tractors 20 to 35 horsepowerCompact Utility Tractors require special smaller implements than full size agricultural tractors. Very common implements include the box blade, the grader blade, the landscape rake, the post hole digger (or post hole auger), the rotary cutter (also called a slasher or a brush hog), a mid or rear mount finish mower, broadcast seeder, subsoiler and the rototiller (also rotary tiller). In northern climates, a rear mounted snow blower is very common, on smaller CUTs some models are available with front mounted snow blowers that are powered by a mid-PTO shaft. There are many more implement brands than there are tractor brands offering CUT owners a wide selection of choice.
For small scale farming or large scale gardening, there are some planting and harvesting implements sized for CUTs. One and two row planting units are commonly available as are cultivators, sprayers and different types of seeders (slit, rotary and drop).
Garden tractors
Garden Tractors (also called Mini Tractors) are small, light and simple tractors designed for use in domestic gardens. Garden Tractors are usually designed primarily for cutting grass, being fitted with horizontal rotary cutting decks. Visually, the distinction between a garden tractor and a ride-on lawnmower is often hard to make - generally Garden Tractors are more sturdily built, with stronger frames, axles and transmissions rated for ground-engaging applications. Garden Tractors are generally capable of mounting other implements such as harrows, cultivators/rotavators, sweepers, rollers and dozer-blades. Like ride-on mowers, Garden Tractors generally have a vertical-crankshaft engine with a belt-drive to a transaxle-type transmission (usually of 4- or 5-speeds, although some may also have two-speed reduction gearboxes or a hydrostatic drive). However, Wheel Horse (now part of Toro) garden tractors have horizontal-crankshaft engines with belt-drive, whilst Allen/Gutbrod tractors had an automotive-type clutch and gearbox. The engines are generally a 1- or 2-cylinder petrol (gasoline) engine, although diesel engine models are also available, especially in Europe.
In the U.S., the term riding lawn mower today often is used to refer to mid or rear engined machines. Front-engined tractor layout machines designed primarily for cutting grass and light towing are called lawn tractors; and heavier duty tractors of the same overall size, often shaft driven, are called garden tractors. The primary differences between a lawn tractor and a garden tractor are the transmission torque handling capability, frame durability, the rear wheels (garden tractors almost always have multiple mounting bolts, while most lawn tractors have a single bolt or clip on the hub), and the ability to attach ground engaging equipment such as plows or disk-harrows. Craftsman, MTD, Snapper, and other major mowing equipment manufacturers use these terms.
As well as dedicated manufacturers, many makers of agricultural tractors have made (or continue to make) ranges of garden tractors, such as Case, Massey-Ferguson, International Harvester and John Deere.
Compact Utility Tractor
In the middle is a 24 hp (18 kW) diesel CUT illustrating the size difference between a small 40 hp farm tractor and a garden tractorA Compact Utility Tractor, also called a CUT is a smaller version of an agricultural tractor but designed primarily for landscaping and estate management type tasks rather than for planting and harvesting on a commercial scale. Typical CUTs range in from 20 to 50 horsepower (15-37 kW) with available power take off (PTO) horsepower ranging from 15 to 45 hp (11-34 kW). CUTs are often equipped with both a mid-mounted PTO and a standard rear PTO, especially those below 40 horsepower (30 kW). The mid-mount PTO shaft typically rotates at/near 2000 rpms and is typically used to power such implements as mid-mount finish mower, a front mounted snow blower or front mounted rotary broom. The rear PTO is standardized at 540 rpms for the North American markets, but in some parts of the world a dual 540/1000 rpm PTO is standard and implements are available for either standard in those markets.
Howse brand modular Subsoiler mounted to a tractor
Broadcast seeder mounted to a Kubota Compact Utility TractorOne of the most common attachment for a Compact Utility Tractor is the front end loader or FEL. Like the larger agricultural tractors, a CUT will have an adjustable three-point hitch that is hydraulically controlled. Typically a CUT will have four wheel drive, or more correctly 4 wheel assist. Modern Compact Utility Tractors often feature a Hydrostatic transmission, but many variants of gear drive transmissions are also offered from low priced simple gear transmissions to synchronized transmissions to advanced glide-shift transmissions. All modern CUTs feature a government mandated roll over protection structure (ROPS) just like agricultural tractors. The most well known brands in North America include Kubota, John Deere Tractor, New Holland Ag, Case-Farmall and Massey-Ferguson. Although less common, compact backhoes are often attached to compact utility tractors.
JD 71 Flexi Planter for tractors 20 to 35 horsepowerCompact Utility Tractors require special smaller implements than full size agricultural tractors. Very common implements include the box blade, the grader blade, the landscape rake, the post hole digger (or post hole auger), the rotary cutter (also called a slasher or a brush hog), a mid or rear mount finish mower, broadcast seeder, subsoiler and the rototiller (also rotary tiller). In northern climates, a rear mounted snow blower is very common, on smaller CUTs some models are available with front mounted snow blowers that are powered by a mid-PTO shaft. There are many more implement brands than there are tractor brands offering CUT owners a wide selection of choice.
For small scale farming or large scale gardening, there are some planting and harvesting implements sized for CUTs. One and two row planting units are commonly available as are cultivators, sprayers and different types of seeders (slit, rotary and drop).
Garden tractors
Garden Tractors (also called Mini Tractors) are small, light and simple tractors designed for use in domestic gardens. Garden Tractors are usually designed primarily for cutting grass, being fitted with horizontal rotary cutting decks. Visually, the distinction between a garden tractor and a ride-on lawnmower is often hard to make - generally Garden Tractors are more sturdily built, with stronger frames, axles and transmissions rated for ground-engaging applications. Garden Tractors are generally capable of mounting other implements such as harrows, cultivators/rotavators, sweepers, rollers and dozer-blades. Like ride-on mowers, Garden Tractors generally have a vertical-crankshaft engine with a belt-drive to a transaxle-type transmission (usually of 4- or 5-speeds, although some may also have two-speed reduction gearboxes or a hydrostatic drive). However, Wheel Horse (now part of Toro) garden tractors have horizontal-crankshaft engines with belt-drive, whilst Allen/Gutbrod tractors had an automotive-type clutch and gearbox. The engines are generally a 1- or 2-cylinder petrol (gasoline) engine, although diesel engine models are also available, especially in Europe.
In the U.S., the term riding lawn mower today often is used to refer to mid or rear engined machines. Front-engined tractor layout machines designed primarily for cutting grass and light towing are called lawn tractors; and heavier duty tractors of the same overall size, often shaft driven, are called garden tractors. The primary differences between a lawn tractor and a garden tractor are the transmission torque handling capability, frame durability, the rear wheels (garden tractors almost always have multiple mounting bolts, while most lawn tractors have a single bolt or clip on the hub), and the ability to attach ground engaging equipment such as plows or disk-harrows. Craftsman, MTD, Snapper, and other major mowing equipment manufacturers use these terms.
As well as dedicated manufacturers, many makers of agricultural tractors have made (or continue to make) ranges of garden tractors, such as Case, Massey-Ferguson, International Harvester and John Deere.