Looking for advice/insight

   / Looking for advice/insight
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I saw RCO listed on the UTDA site and looked at their inventory a couple of days ago. Considering the price difference between them and TexLa, I figured that the latter were probably recons. My mechanical abilities are pretty good. Still do all the work on my wife's Jeep and my motorcycles but the F150 is all computerized and I don't mess with it. :) Guess I'll give Howe a call. RCO in Austin is only about 45-50 miles from my property so it would be pretty convenient.
 
   / Looking for advice/insight #12  
I bought a recon Yanmar 1700 2 years ago with 40 hours on it,it looked brand new and seemed like a great machine.but after I put 50 hours on it it started using oil like crazy.And then the 3 point gave out all of a sudden.I was gonna fix it but decided I wanted a bigger machine. I figured I could only afford a used one! But after some searching I found there wasn't much dif in price between a new and used and with a new I was getting a warranty and I new how it would be driven and maintained! There is still some good deals on new machines but they are fading.I had to go out of state to get it but for the 4-5 thousand I saved it was worth it!Durring the good times all the companys get what they can out of a consumer with some exceptions! Now is the consumer market and its our turn! I have also found happy people with used or recon machines,but I would prefer to know the previous owner before buying one.This is my 2 cents for what its worth!
 
   / Looking for advice/insight #13  
There is nothing wrong with reconditioned tractors if you buy from a reputable dealer. I have been selling Yanmar and Mitsubishi tractors now for about 4 years. Last year alone I sold over 80 Yanmar and other various Japanese tractors. Yes the VTek loader is a low end loader but for a weekend warrior simply wanting to clear his acreage a little and keep his drive level it is a good bargain. There have been several wholesalers with ties to Vietnam over the years claiming to import reconditioned tractors but not all are truly reconditioned. I purchase my tractors from VN Tractors out of Mesquite, TX. I can truly say they care and the tractors they sell wholesale as reconditioned are A # 1.

Much of the gripes about the Vietnamese importers come from dealers who had ties in Japan and were importing these tractors, fixing them up a little and selling them as reconditioned when in fact they were not. What has happened is the Vietnamese exporters started offering a better product at a lower price and would not deal with the guys importing them on their own hence the bad reviews.
 
   / Looking for advice/insight #14  
Cwrighttractors, I'm not trying to start a dogpile, but am afraid one might be coming. There have been members here, who are distinctly NOT dealers, who have had fairly wretched experiences with Vietnamese reconditioned tractors. The machines themselves have been unacceptably cobbled together, sometimes from parts sourced from entirely different tractors.

You may be an upstanding dealer who offers excellent customer support. I hope that is the case. I would like to welcome you to forum, as a contributor to the general knowledge base. I need all the help I can get, goodness knows. I know nothing about you or your business, so am not trying to reflect on that.

However, I do know some things about the members of this forum who have purchased reconditioned tractors and been burned. The general business model of reconditioned dealers, it appears to me, tends to exacerbate the overall poor experiences with the machines.

It's not right or fair for you to denigrate the members' experiences here on the board by saying that unnamed dealers were being undersold on their inferior equipment. The service that people here have personally experienced from some of those dealers who would seem to be included in your blanket statement is exactly the opposite of what you're describing.

I own, I think, a Vietnamese reconditioned tractor. I'm extremely happy with it. But I also know I am lucky. Sometimes that happens. But generally speaking, I'll take a used-looking machine from Japan any day over a "reconditioned" Vietnamese import.

Again, I'm saying this all respectfully. However, to show up somewhere, and in your very first post call Hoye, LMTC, Fredericks, Coldwater, Mark777 and numerous others, plus many members here, deceptive in their practices and statements goes against all the collective experiences. They don't need me to defend them; their reputations speak for themselves. But a new tractor buyer (As I was when I got my 1401D) may not know about the YEARS of reputation building those guys have done through their integrity, willingness to help, and so forth. Trying to ruin that reputation isn't right for you to do, and I want to make sure that anybody who reads this in the future, and is ignorant, as I was, is not misled.

Again, your products may be sound, and you may be a terrific dealer. I don't know, and am not speaking to that. Certainly good dealer support makes any troubles much easier to accept. But offering a 90 day warranty, for instance, isn't really that great. A normal user isn't going to put 250 hours on it in that time. They wouldn't, probably, get half of that. After 100 hours on a newly purchased tractor, I'm thinking about changing the fluids, maybe putting on a fresh belt if it didn't have a new one on when I bought it, not warranty items. That's true of a used one or a new machine.

The dealers whose warranty for 90 days only covers parts aren't really helping me at all. I have to do all the work myself; even an injection pump is only a few hundred dollars. In my view, I'm better off to buy a cheaper used machine, and pocket the money for any of these repairs. Of course, that's a personal thing, not an ethical issue, but it's food for thought.

I am interested in learning about your company, and experiences with these machines. What percentage of machines do you sell have warranty issues? (Is there a warranty period for you?) What are the types of troubles, and their frequency? Do some models have more issues than others? I look forward to learning from you, and, again, welcome to the board.
 
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   / Looking for advice/insight #16  
I purchase my tractors from VN Tractors out of Mesquite, TX. I can truly say they care and the tractors they sell wholesale as reconditioned are A # 1.
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Give me a break. Most that have been here for some time knows who your talking about & the Grade A # 1 tractors that they sell:rolleyes: Can't blow that smoke here
 
   / Looking for advice/insight #17  
the Vietnamese exporters started offering a better product at a lower price and would not deal with the guys importing them on their own hence the bad reviews.
Wrong. Bad reputations were rightfully EARNED by dealers who sold unusable tractors.

My nearest VN importer/wholesaler was in Sacramento. It was apparently owned by a VN family that owned a reconditioning factory in VN and this was their US outlet. The general manager told me they imported 400 tractors average per month. Everybody in the place (office and several mechanics) was just-off-the-boat Vietnamese except for one salesman. They used only Koyker and Howse implements so I don't think they were part of the VN importers that are still in business.

I bought a lot of take-off parts there to bring my YM240 back to stock condition. They had a surprisingly large number of shiny-new unrepairable tractors they had taken back on warranty, to salvage parts from.

This importer was honest and fair in making warranty exchanges and that policy buried them. They went out of business after a few years. I happened to talk with one of their former retailers 100 miles way, a 75 years-in-business firm that carries several first-line small and medium tractors and mowers etc. He said the uneven quality of those pretty VN reconditioned tractors nearly buried his business. He got warranty exchanges for his customers, but a few month's experience and an exceptionally high return rate convinced him that retailing those VN imports would bury his business reputation.

In their last year the VN importer's general manager was 'temporarily absent'. His replacement told me he went home to VN to try to get some control over the uneven quality of the tractors he was receiving. Their shop was full of tractors being repaired. I talked to one customer whose pretty 'new' Iseki had been in the shop a month while the mechanics tried various unsuccessful approaches to get the 3-point lift working in a predictable manner, working without manuals or specialized tools. He surmised that the tractor had been assembled out of dis-similar parts but there were no manuals for that model to see what belonged on it. And no access to parts whatsoever. The complete Yanmar fuel filter assembly I bought there had a short bowl and element unlike anything Yanmar ever sold. I saw it being removed from a pretty but dead YM1500 that they had sold then taken back. The only other place I ever saw this short bowl/element was in the web photo of another retailer of VN imports, a dealer who later switched from VN 'reconditioned' to cleaning up Japanese Yanmars himself. The Sacramento importer's line of shiny unrepairable salvage tractors out back kept getting larger. Then the business suddenly closed without warning.

A couple of their employees later opened a different business importing straight from Japan and doing final cleanup on good quality tractors, but the reputation of that first business drove away potential customers and they finally closed too.

Buyer beware.

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   / Looking for advice/insight #18  
There is nothing wrong with reconditioned tractors if you buy from a reputable dealer. I have been selling Yanmar and Mitsubishi tractors now for about 4 years. Last year alone I sold over 80 Yanmar and other various Japanese tractors. Yes the VTek loader is a low end loader but for a weekend warrior simply wanting to clear his acreage a little and keep his drive level it is a good bargain. There have been several wholesalers with ties to Vietnam over the years claiming to import reconditioned tractors but not all are truly reconditioned. I purchase my tractors from VN Tractors out of Mesquite, TX. I can truly say they care and the tractors they sell wholesale as reconditioned are A # 1.

Much of the gripes about the Vietnamese importers come from dealers who had ties in Japan and were importing these tractors, fixing them up a little and selling them as reconditioned when in fact they were not. What has happened is the Vietnamese exporters started offering a better product at a lower price and would not deal with the guys importing them on their own hence the bad reviews.

CW, Better product ? You should be a politician:confused2:.......or a comedian:laughing:

The General Manager of VN tractors was Leon , last I heard he was in jail in Texas for stabbing someone in the back with a knife.

Vietnamese reconditioned tractors are a hit & miss type of deal, you either get a so so one, or the usual smoke & mirrors disaster.

Just do a search on this site and you will see the history.
 
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   / Looking for advice/insight #19  
Ernie, I'm sorry I didn't specifically mention you by name. You were one of the other "heavy hitters" I wanted to mention, but couldn't recall in the moment. There are others, too: Winston1, Clemsonfor, Rscotty, California, KenMac, Normde2001, Car Doc and Gary Sweat et al, but who aren't dealers, per se, just have been around and seen it all, so to speak, and answered the same questions dozens of times or more.
 
   / Looking for advice/insight #20  
The General Manager of VN tractors was Leon Hoang, last I heard he was in jail in Texas for stabbing someone in the back with a knife.

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How many counts does he have against him for back stabbing:laughing:
 

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