Another Kioti Dealer Gone

[rt1tractor]

Isn't that the case with Kioti/Daedong also ? They do say that they build their entire tractor in their sales pitch...

Phil

Yanmar is the only manufacturer who builds thier injection pumps and injectors along with the rest of the tractor ,they are it!
Basically yanmar's injection pump designer sits next to thier injector designer who sits next to thier engine designer and the end result is highly refined engine package through unbroken communication , the same holds true with rest of the tractor componants ,engine to trans to final drive etc.
Its obvious from the end result this is the superior design concept ,visually cub cadets dont disappear in a cloud of smoke when they start ,and they enjoy an average 10% greater fuel economy ,also they enjoy the least amount of warranty claims in the tractor market ( standard 5 year warranty)
I believe the proof is in the performance and the sheer amount of competitive manufacturers who use yanmars engines,

 

[rt1tractor]

Kioti/Daedong builds there entire tractor and so does Kubota.

you are wrong on both , unless someone can prove me different ,its my understanding kubota has a outside manufacturer for front axels and injectors and pumps and kioti uses doowan injection pumps

 

[rt1tractor]

your counting the glow plugs there or somthing hua?

from the time from cranking to running ,
Its not my claim though ,just something that was demonstrated at service school .
:thumbsup:

 

[rt1tractor]

Kioti is also fully integrated.

again not the injection pumps

 

[TractorTidy]

Yes, coyote machine, Australia does count, I got you on that one! You said a Kioti lawnmower.

 

[Coyote machine]

Yes, coyote machine, Australia does count, I got you on that one! You said a Kioti lawnmower.

I think I said I've never seen a Kioti lawnmower; and I'm NOT traveling to the Outback to look at one either:laughing:

Balls in your court.

 

[dennis52]

Ha! Try 10k more for a Kubota equivalent in 40hp range(DK40SE vs L4240 both with cab), 6-8k more for a Massey (DK45SE vs MF 1648), Deere would be 15k more... I never bothered to check as their prices for a used 30hp machine were already the same as a new 40hp Kiotio. At least here.

Same as in Australia. Kioti best value for dollar by far

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Its not my claim though ,just something that was demonstrated at service school .

you must be new to this.
... seriously, take anything your told at that kinda stuff with a huge grain of salt. They rig those things to support their point, every company does it. I'd never repeat half of what I've seen done because next thing you know a customer will have seen the opposite themselves and you've just lost every ounce of credibility.

 

[TripleR]

Do they make their own tires?

 

[rt1tractor]

you must be new to this.
... seriously, take anything your told at that kinda stuff with a huge grain of salt. They rig those things to support their point, every company does it. I'd never repeat half of what I've seen done because next thing you know a customer will have seen the opposite themselves and you've just lost every ounce of credibility.

I agree with your grain of salt theory ,some customers will have you believe a particular model was built on the moon:laughing: I was at a kubota , N.H , cub dealership and the owner was in the room and he seemed agree with the findings , but for fun I went out to my 3 new LX models ,41 45 and 49that were buried under 8 inchs of fresh snow , temp was closer to 30 and guess what 1.4 to 1.6 seconds and no embarrasing cloud of smoke :thumbsup:
a couple other neat facts Lx series turning radius 8.85 feet ,kubota 11.48 , fuel consumption Lx 490 is 3.13 gph 4240 is 3.47 gph , warranty for cub 5years ,kubota 3 years ,free factory 50 hour service , 30 days buy back guarantee, cub YES ,kubota No
Dont get me wrong kubota is still a good tractor but yanmar cub has more to offer , and more savings over the long run.
and nope ,not new to this LOL

 

[rt1tractor]

Do they make their own tires?

I knew that was going to pop up :laughing: nope none of the manufacturers do , they dont make the fuel either , and there are bolt on pieces that i'm sure are outsourced but nothing that has to do with the drivetrain on the tractor ,these are "pure breed"

 

[tommu56]

"we have over saturated the market"

Is the "we" Kioti or you

If you were selling tractors this doesn't make sense If you filled the market and weren't selling that is another story.

If they had too many dealers (their opinion) that is another story, or some one in the dealer ship chain was complaining about too many dealers or they didn't want to support ($$$$) as many dealers

 

[Dargo]

I knew that was going to pop up :laughing: nope none of the manufacturers do , they dont make the fuel either , and there are bolt on pieces that i'm sure are outsourced but nothing that has to do with the drivetrain on the tractor ,these are "pure breed"

One of the absolute best smaller tractors I ever had was an old JD 1070. I think about everything about that tractor was Yanmar except the paint. It was the ultimate in reliable, I never knew it had glow plugs (never needed them) and gave me many years of zero problem service. Actually, if I could find a low hour one with an FEL for a decent price, it would be tempting to buy another for a smaller tractor for around the house. Anyway, the only thing that said "made in China" was a couple of hydraulic elbows on the loader plumbing. Still, one of, if not the best, tractors I've ever had.

 

[TripleR]

I knew that was going to pop up :laughing: nope none of the manufacturers do , they don't make the fuel either, and there are bolt on pieces that I'm sure are outsourced but nothing that has to do with the drivetrain on the tractor, these are "pure breed"

OK, just so we are clear on that.:laughing:

 

[kco]

a little history on the ex 3200 , did you know that yanmar is the only manufacturer out there that builds thier entire tractor ? , the engine drive train axles injector and injector pumps are all made in house !
What this means to the customer is a better operating ,smoother more fuel efficient tractor , yanmar has a 10% more fuel efficient engines then the any of the competition .
In a comparison between a lx 490 cub and a L 4240 kubota , cold weather starting @33 degrees fahrenheit the yanmar starts in 1.4 seconds while the 4240 takes 9 seconds ! The same holds true throughout the product line , and I wont get into the embarrasing cloud of smoke that some of these other brands produce after start up !
The ex series cub is an upgraded tractor from the popular J.D. 790 tractor platform ,this was a highly successfull trouble free tractor for jd and now is equiped with a twin pedel hst trans. for cub .
The lift capacities of the ex series are not that of all the competitive models but they do get the job done and the do it more efficiently ,with a 5 year warranty , 30 buy back guarentee ,free 50 hour service yanmar is the only manufacture who offers this and they designed the first compact diesel engine 100 years ago !
some other interesting facts are over 80% of excavators sold worldwide have yanmar engines and 90% of the sailboat market have yanmar diesel engines

I just got my Kioti DK35 HST. In cool weather it will take at least 10 seconds to start as the glow plugs operate for 9 seconds. It starts instantly with no noticable smoke. Although it won't win the "starting olympics" it is fine for my needs.

It is a vast improvement over the 30 year old Kubota L275 which at 33 degrees F would take 60 seconds of glow plug, attempt to start with some firing, 30 seconds more glow, attempt, 30 seconds glow, start on 2.5 cylinders with lots of white smoke, and then finally able to warm up. Starting it was an art. The DK35 is amazing in comparision. I'm interested to see what it will be like at the farily common -15F next winter.

As for manufacturing all parts, I wonder if CC makes their own bearings, hydraulic cylinders, bolts, etc. I hope not. I think it is better to build the core and integrate out-sourced components with strict quality control.

This is what happens in the computer industry. Hewlett Packard, Dell, IBM, and others don't make most of the components. I would hate to see what would happen if they designed their own CPU's, video chips, etc. But they do engineer the main boards and integrate the systems to their own needs. Mission-critical systems such as file servers perform slower than their consumer-oriented gaming machines, but the file servers are more stable and have better quality components.

Although a disk drive may be branded as Hewlett Packard or IBM they are likely manufactured by Seagate, Western Digital, etc.. The same model drives are used in mission-critical and consumer machines but with an important difference. The mission-critical drives come from batches tested to meet closer tolerances. If they don't meet those tolerances they become consumer drives. Thus the much higher price for "business class" components.

I wonder if the compact tractor manufacturing is much different. That is, a good manufacturer will design a machine to operate with certain characteristics, efficiency, and longevity; and maintain consistent quality control to guarantee those qualities.

 

[rt1tractor]

I just got my Kioti DK35 HST. In cool weather it will take at least 10 seconds to start as the glow plugs operate for 9 seconds. It starts instantly with no noticable smoke. Although it won't win the "starting olympics" it is fine for my needs.

It is a vast improvement over the 30 year old Kubota L275 which at 33 degrees F would take 60 seconds of glow plug, attempt to start with some firing, 30 seconds more glow, attempt, 30 seconds glow, start on 2.5 cylinders with lots of white smoke, and then finally able to warm up. Starting it was an art. The DK35 is amazing in comparision. I'm interested to see what it will be like at the farily common -15F next winter.

As for manufacturing all parts, I wonder if CC makes their own bearings, hydraulic cylinders, bolts, etc. I hope not. I think it is better to build the core and integrate out-sourced components with strict quality control.

This is what happens in the computer industry. Hewlett Packard, Dell, IBM, and others don't make most of the components. I would hate to see what would happen if they designed their own CPU's, video chips, etc. But they do engineer the main boards and integrate the systems to their own needs. Mission-critical systems such as file servers perform slower than their consumer-oriented gaming machines, but the file servers are more stable and have better quality components.

Although a disk drive may be branded as Hewlett Packard or IBM they are likely manufactured by Seagate, Western Digital, etc.. The same model drives are used in mission-critical and consumer machines but with an important difference. The mission-critical drives come from batches tested to meet closer tolerances. If they don't meet those tolerances they become consumer drives. Thus the much higher price for "business class" components.

I wonder if the compact tractor manufacturing is much different. That is, a good manufacturer will design a machine to operate with certain characteristics, efficiency, and longevity; and maintain consistent quality control to guarantee those qualities.

we have taken those 275 kubota's in on trade before , they are good old tractors and there still working after all these years .
You will be happy with your dk35se , dae-dong build's a quality tractor , the only complaint I ever had about the 35 was about the racket they make when started cold ,

 

[grsthegreat]

i have a new dk45se hst and Ive started it in 10 F weather last month. 8 seconds or so of glow plug. fired right up. no smoke at all.

I also have a 1996 JD (Yanmar) 870. its 14 yo, 1430 hours, and it starts up every winter...but it does smoke.

It has for years ....but it is a nice. sturdy tractor. Very strong. It has been, and still is, a great tractor.

I do not see how having one mfg make ALL the parts is any better than a handful of suppliers making parts to a companies specifications. Ford, GM, they all do it. My 2003 Chevy van has worked flawlessly for years. no issues at all. All parts are not made by Chevy.

From reading some old posts i see that Kioti had some wiring harness issues, especially with corrosion. I have checked a bunch of my connectors, and have added insulation to some potential rub spots on my harness, and i can tell you that ALL the connectors i checked are weatherproofed with o rings. So i guess Kioti has listened to complaints. It doesn't matter who made the connectors, as long as there quality.

 

[sweettractors]

How many Kioti dealers are left nationwide? Ken Sweet

 

[grsthegreat]

How many Kioti dealers are left nationwide? Ken Sweet

dont know rightly...but there are 2 within 50 miles of me. there are also 2 JD dealers within 50 miles, 2 Kubota dealers within 50 and one New Holland.

so far so good. hope they stick arround. one is new, the other is a 5paw thats been here for 8 years

 

[kco]

we have taken those 275 kubota's in on trade before , they are good old tractors and there still working after all these years .
You will be happy with your dk35se , dae-dong build's a quality tractor , the only complaint I ever had about the 35 was about the racket they make when started cold ,

I certainly agree rt1tractor, the L275 DT was an amazing machine and will give someone many more years of good service and fun. I thought it was the best tractor in the world until I got the new one.

I had an interesting validation of the starting early last January when the dealer returned it to me after a complete servicing and checkup. It was about +5F and he had hauled it 25 miles. I was curious to see what he would say when he started it.

Keeping in mind it was just completely checked and serviced--he went through the glow plug, attempt, glow plug, attempt, glow plug, ....finally start routine. At the first attempt he said "the machines cool quickly riding on the back of the truck", after the 2nd or 3rd attempt he said "these always were hard to start".

I think most old diesels were similarly touchy and an amazed at how manufacturers have improved their machines over the years.