Anyone Use a Trash Pumpt to Clean pond?

[boggen]

I have to ask why do you need it to dry for a year or 2 ? I could see where after you throw the spoils you may want the pile to set, but confused about the dredge

in my case, i would end up loosing excavator, TLB, and/or dozer. when i mean loose, i would not be able to find them again. it would be like quick sand in a movie. and the tractor disappearing to some unknown land.

in my case lake used to be at least 10 maybe more feet deep. but now it is only 2 maybe 3 feet deep but 3 feet would be pushing it. ((a lot of silt)) you drop a 10 foot metal pipe straight down, and it just continues to sink on its own weight.

((see attached 1st attached diagram))

if you can tell me another way to get in there and clean it out. with a excavtor, TLB, and/or dozer. i am all ears, with open mind, willing to learn!

to note it, i only have about 2/3rds if that i can get around the one lake i need to dredge out. reaching over 100 plus feet to other sore line is out of question.

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second diagram, could be a mini dredge setup, or any setup were ya pumping muck up to a slightly higher spot.

again, if it takes any were from 1 to 4 days to pump all the water out of your pond /lake. what are you going to do for the remaining days it will take to remove all the dirt / mud that has built up within the pond/lake. waiting for heavy rains and pond/lake to refill doesn't cut it. being able to recycle / reuse the water. so it drains back into the pond/lake. would allow you to go at things at a more constant rate.

 

[boggen]

He's probably assuming that the pond is large enough that you won't be working from dry land and as such, you could end up getting the dozer / excavator stuck in what would basically be a swamp. It is possible to get a tracked vehicle stuck!

ack posted right after you did and didn't see your post till after i posted

ay, tracked vehicle stuck is possible! asking around locally and calling some folks. noted way to easy to get them stuck. and to get them unstuck. requires more work than one might think. 200hp plus tractor with 8 wheels. plus a bunch of digging. is one of the horror stories i do remember. other stories being require multi other tractors and large size cranes. that cost a small fortune to get things unstuck.

 

[CollinLeon]

ay, tracked vehicle stuck is possible! asking around locally and calling some folks. noted way to easy to get them stuck. and to get them unstuck. requires more work than one might think

There's a reason that the Army created things like this:

M74 Tank Recovery Vehicle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YouTube - Tank Stuck In Mud

A tracked vehicle just means that you can get stuck in more inaccessible places... And that it will cost you more to get unstuck...

 

[MikeD74T]

I rellay don't want to spend 5k for the mini dredge. I think the diaphragm pump will basically do the same thing as the mini dredge for A LOT less money. I might end up spending a small fortune on a dozer but I figure it is worth a try to hit it with the diaphragm pump first and see what happens.

If you already have a diaphram pump all you have to loose is time. If you're renting or buying - get a centrifugal pump. Do a little research on dredges -all are centrifugal pumps for a reason. MikeD74T

 

[scesnick]

If you already have a diaphram pump all you have to loose is time. If you're renting or buying - get a centrifugal pump. Do a little research on dredges -all are centrifugal pumps for a reason. MikeD74T

Good info Mike, I will have to look into a centrifugal also.

Anyone have any experience with one of these? FA Series Diaphragm Pumps - Mud Sucker Pumps

I emailed them and they suggested models 2FA or 3FA.

 

[9973720wb19]

there is a website/company that sells "Muck Removal Tablets" look at Pond, Lake, & Water Garden Supplies, Pond Algae Control, Pond Dye, Pond Aeration, Pond Liners

 

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in my case, i would end up loosing excavator, TLB, and/or dozer. when i mean loose, i would not be able to find them again. it would be like quick sand in a movie. and the tractor disappearing to some unknown land.

I don't doubt one could loose a machine in muck, seen it before. With a little understanding and patience{good operator} this should not happen.

in my case lake used to be at least 10 maybe more feet deep. but now it is only 2 maybe 3 feet deep but 3 feet would be pushing it. ((a lot of silt)) you drop a 10 foot metal pipe straight down, and it just continues to sink on its own weight.

((see attached 1st attached diagram))

I understand thanks for the diagram. Yes that is a lot of silt but definately not an impossible job.

if you can tell me another way to get in there and clean it out. with a excavtor, TLB, and/or dozer. i am all ears, with open mind, willing to learn!

to note it, i only have about 2/3rds if that i can get around the one lake i need to dredge out. reaching over 100 plus feet to other sore line is out of question.

On mine I build a ramp in, I also have/had more then 6' of muck. If you can get access to a dump trailer then you should have no problem with using an excavator to load muck on trailer and take spoils away. You'd need an excavator a trailer and something that could pull the trailer{4wheel drive tractor, dozer....}. Start at one end{ramp side} and work your way out. It seems like a lot of work but I can guarantee it will take a LOT less then 2 years and really isn't all that bad. I have been working on mine by myself and have allready got most of it back down to 10' in a couple of months{slower because of machinery trouble and my own stupidity }. I had to stop because of machinery issue's and winter. Once things dry out I will drain and finish, shouldn't take more then a couple of weeks total, including draining. Of course weather also can deal a bad hand but if the draining is kept up with even this should not be a major set back. Once done the ramp can be filled back in and leveled off. I also made a set of pads for my baby mini excavator{4000lbs} to help walk it out into mucky spots{they can be built for any size machine}. Mine are basically 5x5's bolted together with ready rod. I place them using the bucket and thumb, move out, turn around and pick up the one I was previously on, swing it around and keep going. If I'm to lazy to use the pads I just dig and load the trailer and work my way across/around the pond.

 

[moored4]

We used this one(Mud Sucker 3FA Series Heavy Duty Diaphragm Pump) in our mill that I worked at. they were air driven moters. They ran 24/7/365 for years at a time with no down time. they were only sucking steam condensate and oil sumps out but I think they would work for you with an inlet screen to keep the big stuff out!

 

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Boggen; here are a couple of videos using and showing what a mud mat or pad is. The 1st video doesn't really show the pad until around the 5min mark. I would say judging by the video that machine is working in atleast 5' of muck if not more. The 2nd video shows what they look like and how to move them. There are other video's of them in action but this should help explain what I did and how helpfull they can be.



YouTube - Excavator in deep mud again

YouTube - Unloading Mud Mats

 

[CollinLeon]

Boggen; here are a couple of videos using and showing what a mud mat or pad is. The 1st video doesn't really show the pad until around the 5min mark. I would say judging by the video that machine is working in atleast 5' of muck if not more. The 2nd video shows what they look like and how to move them. There are other video's of them in action but this should help explain what I did and how helpfull they can be.

Just a note... They do not provide positive flotation, they just help distribute the load across a larger area so that you sink slower... There are some methods for use with an excavator that will allow for positive flotation to the point where you can use the excavator even in water deeper than your tracks could touch bottom. This might consist of an undercarriage that is considerably larger and watertight to that it floats... It might consist of having the excavator on a barge... There's always a way, it just depends upon whether you are willing to spend the money to make it happen...