Dual Brakes on an HST tractor

[JD755]

On my TYM T330hst it has dual brake pedals on the left side. On the right side is the forward and reverse pedal along with a master brake pedal. That is the main one I use and it is also the parking brake. I rarely use the turning brakes but it is nice to have when you need them. I mainly use them in the winter when turning in close quarters. I like not needing to use the cruse control when using the turning brakes. I feel it is much safer when you dont need to use the cruse control and turning brakes together.

Your tractor has an identical pedal setup as mine. I use them the same way.

I have the best of both worlds.... hydro pedals on the right, brake pedal on the right (above the hydro pedals), and split brake pedals on the left. When I need to stop quickly and muscle memory takes over, my right foot finds the brake pedal with ease, but I also have the option of using the split breaks if needed with my left foot.

That sounds like the ideal setup. to me.

James K0UA

While it is ONLY MY PERSONAL OPINION, I always felt it was the ideal setup. I know others have different opinions and that is OK. We all have different experiences.

 

[grsthegreat]

just got the reply back from Kioti customer care.......


Thank you for your inquiry.
The quick turn function is not on your unit. It is not on any units built for USA. Manuals are written as standard for sales all over world. So please disregard that statement.
Also, note that you never should turn using the brakes when 4WD is activated. It can cause damage to unit over time.
Hope this is helpful.
Thank you for choosing KIOTI!

 

[Don87]

I was told that Bobcat does not recommend splitting the brakes n the 235, and if I remember correctly I did read not to do it in the owners manual

I may not be the 'brightest bulb in the room', and I don't have access to a Bobcat 235...........

But are you saying that it has 'split' brakes, and the manual says 'not' to use this function?

 

[lilranch2001]

I may not be the 'brightest bulb in the room', and I don't have access to a Bobcat 235...........

But are you saying that it has 'split' brakes, and the manual says 'not' to use this function?

That is exactly what I am saying, it has a bar or a bolt (I forget) across them and the dealer told me not to split them

I forget what reason he gave me.

I used to use my split brakes on my 8N all the time, but I really cant say I have ever really needed them on the 235

 

[Don87]

That is exactly what I am saying, it has a bar or a bolt (I forget) across them and the dealer told me not to split them
I forget what reason he gave me.

I used to use my split brakes on my 8N all the time, but I really cant say I have ever really needed them on the 235

'Almost' makes sense.:laughing:

Don't take offense, this was not intended at you.

Kinda like saying ...........I have a chevy, with a four speed, I'll sell ya...............just don't shift gears.

 

[lilranch2001]

'Almost' makes sense.:laughing:

Don't take offense, this was not intended at you.

Kinda like saying ...........I have a chevy, with a four speed, I'll sell ya...............just don't shift gears.

No offense taken, I still think it is a odd quirk :confused2:

 

[pat32rf]

I've got the JD HST system, (right foot-go pedal OR brakes, left foot steering/traction brakes that DON'T lock together) I find its great, and between our ice/mud/uneven ground they get used constantly.
Right foor GO, left foot STOP. They are logical enough that a grandchild can learn how to "help" do simple chores yet versatile enough for the more experienced to get full use of the tractor capabilities.
The parking/highway brake is right above the go-pedal and kills the cruise control so if you are road running that aspect is looked after.
If you want to chew a channel thru the ice to drain some water, you drop to 2wd, stand on one brake, hit the go pedal with the other foot and the spinning chains will dig a ditch.....Simple

 

[RobertN]

I just looked at my TC40D manual. It says how the split brakes should work. The only restriction, is brake pedals should be locked together when operating at high speed.

Having been born in a 4WD(1942 Ford GPW contract "Jeep"), and been around them my 48 years, I have some ideas about it...

In 2wd mode, it should be fine to use the split brakes. The differential action in the rear end will protect the rear end. It would drag the front end around, just like any other 2wd tractor.

In 4wd, it should work fine, but my concern would be the transfer-case function(I know they do not have a true transfer case) and the front end working to turn at the same times as the front wheels are drug to one side or the other. In soft dirt that should not be an issue, but in firm dirt or hard surfaces, I could see where it might put more stress on the drivetrain.

That is why though, the books say to run in 2wd on hard surfaces...For my TC40D, the manual even says to switch from auto-4wd to 2wd.

That is exactly what I am saying, it has a bar or a bolt (I forget) across them and the dealer told me not to split them

I forget what reason he gave me.

I used to use my split brakes on my 8N all the time, but I really cant say I have ever really needed them on the 235

 

[TripleR]

I just looked at my TC40D manual. It says how the split brakes should work. The only restriction, is brake pedals should be locked together when operating at high speed.

Having been born in a 4WD(1942 Ford GPW contract "Jeep"), and been around them my 48 years, I have some ideas about it...

In 2wd mode, it should be fine to use the split brakes. The differential action in the rear end will protect the rear end. It would drag the front end around, just like any other 2wd tractor.

In 4wd, it should work fine, but my concern would be the transfer-case function(I know they do not have a true transfer case) and the front end working to turn at the same times as the front wheels are drug to one side or the other. In soft dirt that should not be an issue, but in firm dirt or hard surfaces, I could see where it might put more stress on the drivetrain.

That is why though, the books say to run in 2wd on hard surfaces...For my TC40D, the manual even says to switch from auto-4wd to 2wd.

I just checked the manual on my L5030 and the restrictions are the same and indicate the split brakes should be used only in the field to help make sharp turns.

I don't need the split brakes for turning, so I have never given the wear on the front transfer case any thought, but it could be as they are being drug sideways and possibly at a different speed than the rear wheels.

 

[jinman]

I think the damage potential to the front/rear differential while using split brakes is way overstated. When I am in 4wd and pushing a loader bucket the front wheels often are turning at different rates (one slipping while the other is not turning). If I'm using a boxblade on uneven terrain, the front will be pulled/pushed left or right easily unless I use the split brakes to hold the path true. Mostly, I'm trying to use my brakes to hold my tractor in a straight line or compensate for uneven traction when in soft dirt or mud on one side only.

My front end gets pushed all over the place by just normal use of rear ground engaging implements and front loader work. If a dealer told me I should not use the installed split brakes on my tractor, I'd suspect he had warranty issues and is trying to cover for a design issue. Do you suppose that same dealer might accuse me of using split brakes if I brought my tractor to him for a front differential repair under warranty?:thumbdown: Not using split brakes for high speed turns makes all kinds of sense, but not using them to hold the tractor straight when you are in 4WD makes no sense to me whatsoever.:confused3: Of course, trying to use split brakes when you have differential lock engaged is just asking for trouble. It's impossible to do both at the same time.

It also makes good sense to me to use split brakes to help track perfectly where you are turning instead of the letting the front end understeer and keep going straight. Making the tractor go where the wheels are pointed seems to be normal to me. If understeer never happens to you, then you surely don't need to use split brakes.