Smoked a clutch on my tiller....

[Egon]

Thanks Bota.:thumbsup:

 

[EE_Bota]

Youre going to have to stop knowing stuf an engineer would know. Some are highly threatened by it. Its even worse if you point out anything to them. They know better than the truth ... or else the truth is not valid. :confused2:
larry

TBN has to be a place where facts have to have their own merit, and their own rights. I don't believe there is a single person in this thread that will have difficulty receiving a bona fide fact.

But it is difficult because a man can write something having only the best intent, and it comes across wrong. That is a constant struggle for me.

Heck, the other day, I erased one of my posts because I thought it was fine when I wrote it, but upon reading it the next day, I found it confusing, and quite possibly insulting to the OP (I was interrogating him with question after question.) I was relieved that he was not insulted, but still writers have to be careful, and readers need to be ready to assume the best intent of the writer due to this common pitfall.

Can we presume that the vast majority of us will not "darken the door" of a thread except to try to help and inform? I think we all ought to try to make that assumption about everything we read here.

I want to help people, even if I am tired or out of sorts. But I need to work harder to understand that if I give them facts, but not encouragement, friendship and support, I have likely not helped them at all.

So, the order of the day for all of us here should be to become slow to anger, and quick to apologize. And if I fail sometimes to demonstrate that, it doesn't mean I am not trying, and it does not mean it is not a worthy goal for all of us. And we should not seek to prolong controversy, unless it is about a fact...which, as I said, should have the right to be upheld.

The OP did slam engineers a bit...but that does not increase nor does it decrease my ability one iota. I know it sounds simple, but I have cheered up many an insulted person in my personal life by saying "what a person thinks of your intelligence does not alter your actual intelligence even one little bit."

The OP admitted he messed up, and his results were not optimal, so there is absolutely no need for any of us to reinforce that feeling, but instead, we should be trying to encourage and inform.

But this thread, if read by a true rooky, would be interpreted to mean that it is not an abnormal condition to boil the grease out of a U-joint if the tilling circumstance is tough. It was not explicitly stated, but it is implied, and I don't think any of us are on board with that, so I take it as a sign that things became more about feelings than about facts, and that is a sign that words were used loosely, and not received with grace.

 

[Baby Grand]

If you're determined to identify yourself as an engineer, then you have to develop a thick skin to getting slammed for it. It comes with the teritory.

 

[TripleR]

TBN has to be a place where facts have to have their own merit, and their own rights. I don't believe there is a single person in this thread that will have difficulty receiving a bona fide fact.

But it is difficult because a man can write something having only the best intent, and it comes across wrong. That is a constant struggle for me.

Heck, the other day, I erased one of my posts because I thought it was fine when I wrote it, but upon reading it the next day, I found it confusing, and quite possibly insulting to the OP (I was interrogating him with question after question.) I was relieved that he was not insulted, but still writers have to be careful, and readers need to be ready to assume the best intent of the writer due to this common pitfall.

Can we presume that the vast majority of us will not "darken the door" of a thread except to try to help and inform? I think we all ought to try to make that assumption about everything we read here.

I want to help people, even if I am tired or out of sorts. But I need to work harder to understand that if I give them facts, but not encouragement, friendship and support, I have likely not helped them at all.

So, the order of the day for all of us here should be to become slow to anger, and quick to apologize. And if I fail sometimes to demonstrate that, it doesn't mean I am not trying, and it does not mean it is not a worthy goal for all of us. And we should not seek to prolong controversy, unless it is about a fact...which, as I said, should have the right to be upheld.

The OP did slam engineers a bit...but that does not increase nor does it decrease my ability one iota. I know it sounds simple, but I have cheered up many an insulted person in my personal life by saying "what a person thinks of your intelligence does not alter your actual intelligence even one little bit."

The OP admitted he messed up, and his results were not optimal, so there is absolutely no need for any of us to reinforce that feeling, but instead, we should be trying to encourage and inform.

But this thread, if read by a true rooky, would be interpreted to mean that it is not an abnormal condition to boil the grease out of a U-joint if the tilling circumstance is tough. It was not explicitly stated, but it is implied, and I don't think any of us are on board with that, so I take it as a sign that things became more about feelings than about facts, and that is a sign that words were used loosely, and not received with grace.

:thumbsup:

 

[jejeosborne]

TBN has to be a place where facts have to have their own merit, and their own rights. I don't believe there is a single person in this thread that will have difficulty receiving a bona fide fact.

But it is difficult because a man can write something having only the best intent, and it comes across wrong. That is a constant struggle for me.

Heck, the other day, I erased one of my posts because I thought it was fine when I wrote it, but upon reading it the next day, I found it confusing, and quite possibly insulting to the OP (I was interrogating him with question after question.) I was relieved that he was not insulted, but still writers have to be careful, and readers need to be ready to assume the best intent of the writer due to this common pitfall.

Can we presume that the vast majority of us will not "darken the door" of a thread except to try to help and inform? I think we all ought to try to make that assumption about everything we read here.

I want to help people, even if I am tired or out of sorts. But I need to work harder to understand that if I give them facts, but not encouragement, friendship and support, I have likely not helped them at all.

So, the order of the day for all of us here should be to become slow to anger, and quick to apologize. And if I fail sometimes to demonstrate that, it doesn't mean I am not trying, and it does not mean it is not a worthy goal for all of us. And we should not seek to prolong controversy, unless it is about a fact...which, as I said, should have the right to be upheld.

The OP did slam engineers a bit...but that does not increase nor does it decrease my ability one iota. I know it sounds simple, but I have cheered up many an insulted person in my personal life by saying "what a person thinks of your intelligence does not alter your actual intelligence even one little bit."

The OP admitted he messed up, and his results were not optimal, so there is absolutely no need for any of us to reinforce that feeling, but instead, we should be trying to encourage and inform.

But this thread, if read by a true rooky, would be interpreted to mean that it is not an abnormal condition to boil the grease out of a U-joint if the tilling circumstance is tough. It was not explicitly stated, but it is implied, and I don't think any of us are on board with that, so I take it as a sign that things became more about feelings than about facts, and that is a sign that words were used loosely, and not received with grace.

Well said! I don't understand the conflict this post has created. I see good information in all posts. Basically, I have learned:
1. That a little smoke every now and then is ok.
2. Smoking the clutch to the point of melting grease could be interpreted as "being asleep at the wheel.
3. Once a clutch begins to slip, the load must be lessened to a point below dynamic friction (which is less than static friction) before the clutch engages again.
4. Engineers are not well respected in the real world. Who designed that clutch? I guess it should of had been designed not to smoke. LOL
4. Some prefer sherbet over ice cream.

 

[YesDeere]

That wad good!!;-)

 

[Egon]

Bota: :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Farmwithjunk]

TBN has to be a place where facts have to have their own merit, and their own rights. I don't believe there is a single person in this thread that will have difficulty receiving a bona fide fact.

But it is difficult because a man can write something having only the best intent, and it comes across wrong. That is a constant struggle for me.

Heck, the other day, I erased one of my posts because I thought it was fine when I wrote it, but upon reading it the next day, I found it confusing, and quite possibly insulting to the OP (I was interrogating him with question after question.) I was relieved that he was not insulted, but still writers have to be careful, and readers need to be ready to assume the best intent of the writer due to this common pitfall.

Can we presume that the vast majority of us will not "darken the door" of a thread except to try to help and inform? I think we all ought to try to make that assumption about everything we read here.

I want to help people, even if I am tired or out of sorts. But I need to work harder to understand that if I give them facts, but not encouragement, friendship and support, I have likely not helped them at all.

So, the order of the day for all of us here should be to become slow to anger, and quick to apologize. And if I fail sometimes to demonstrate that, it doesn't mean I am not trying, and it does not mean it is not a worthy goal for all of us. And we should not seek to prolong controversy, unless it is about a fact...which, as I said, should have the right to be upheld.

The OP did slam engineers a bit...but that does not increase nor does it decrease my ability one iota. I know it sounds simple, but I have cheered up many an insulted person in my personal life by saying "what a person thinks of your intelligence does not alter your actual intelligence even one little bit."

The OP admitted he messed up, and his results were not optimal, so there is absolutely no need for any of us to reinforce that feeling, but instead, we should be trying to encourage and inform.

But this thread, if read by a true rooky, would be interpreted to mean that it is not an abnormal condition to boil the grease out of a U-joint if the tilling circumstance is tough. It was not explicitly stated, but it is implied, and I don't think any of us are on board with that, so I take it as a sign that things became more about feelings than about facts, and that is a sign that words were used loosely, and not received with grace.

Pretty much spot on, but I do take exception to one point. I don't recall (or see after re-reading the thread) where anyone said (even "implied") it was OK to "boil the grease out of a u-joint". That's going a little beyond simply accepting the FACT that a slip clutch on an ordinary tiller. doing ordinary work, will slip on occasion. And that slipping is certainly NOT the end of the world, OR a sign of a sleepy operator.

In a perfect world, we would NEVER hit tree roots while tilling. We would never find that limestone rock shelf under our garden.....But who do you know that will try to argue that we live in a perfect world. And that imperfection in our everyday lives is why most tillers/many rotary mowers/ect come equipped with a slip clutch.

And by the way, Agri-Supply offers replacement friction disc's for KK tillers @ a price under $18. At that price, I HOPE my tiller's slip clutch does slip when it hits some unforeseen object.

With enough hours/acres behind me with my KKII tiller so that it has completely worn out one full set of tines and probably worn 25% or more off second set, and I'm still running the ORIGINAL friction disc in the slip clutch, even after I allowed (you might say PROMOTED) it to slip in situations where I expected to hit buried objects.... At some stage, we have to separate opinion and theory from fact and experience if we expect to accomplish anything worthwhile.

There is no question about why a slip clutch works, or how it works, The question seems to be HOW OFTEN it should work. I 'm all for using the $18 friction disc as a "sacrificial anode" of sorts, and allowing it to slip on occasion as needed.

Toss in the FACT that slip clutches aren't nearly as delicate as some would like to believe, and I can't for the life of me see why anyone WOULDN'T want it to slip far enough BEFORE we get to that legendary "catastrophic overload" point so as not to explore just when "too much is too much".

What I AM seeing is a few individuals who apparently think that their opinion reins supreme, even with VERY limited amounts of actual "hands on experience" to back up their assumptions.

Some people just need to try an occasional re-introduction to "the real world"....

I did enjoy your post too!

 

[EE_Bota]

Pretty much spot on, but I do take exception to one point. I don't recall (or see after re-reading the thread) where anyone said (even "implied") it was OK to "boil the grease out of a u-joint". That's going a little beyond simply accepting the FACT that a slip clutch on an ordinary tiller. doing ordinary work, will slip on occasion. And that slipping is certainly NOT the end of the world, OR a sign of a sleepy operator.

That's fair FWJ. Just because I said it was not explicitly stated, but was implied, that does not mean that I didn't merely infer it out of thin air for no good reason. I very well may have, and I wouldn't put it past me, so neither should you.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

That's fair FWJ. Just because I said it was not explicitly stated, but was implied, that does not mean that I didn't merely infer it out of thin air for no good reason. I very well may have, and I wouldn't put it past me, so neither should you.

You're a gentleman and a scholar!

So often, people say what the think, but in ways only they understand 100%. That may stem from the explanation as well as from the listener not being on the same frequency as the person doing the talking. That may have been the case with some of this thread. Long story short, we can (should?) always learn from each other, regardless of who's the greater or lesser mind.