Hay baling

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Eyedrdave

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Kubota B7300 HST
I have a small kubota, b7300. Less than 20 hp and approx 1600 lbs. Is it possible to bale hay with this? If so, what used baler should I look at and mower (I assume sickle mower is best). Thanks!
Oh, last thing, it would be approx 5-6 acres so not a huge amt and it's flat.
 
   / Hay baling #2  
Good afternoon Dr.,

You can purchase a small round mini baler from Wolagri USA to do your
haybaling with ease as these small balers are ment for very small 2-wheel and 4-wheel small tractors and they are used in steep terrain in europe by small farming operations.


You can purchase a small disc mower for your Kubota from Ken Sweet and it will work fine for your hay mowing. Pleas contact ken and ask him about his small farm disc mowers and sickle bar mowers as he is a "Tractorbynet" forum sponsor in good standing.

Ken also ships implements from his warehouse in Kentcucky as well.

You can buy a Wolagri mini baler with a bale wrapper attached to it or purchase one separately to wrap the bales. The white plastic wrapper will help preserve the hay longer and reduce damage from vermin by sealing the bale when wrapping it.

The national distributor for Wolagri is a few miles from me just over the New York Border in The State of Pennsylvania.


wolagriusa.com
Wolagri Home Page: costruzione di macchine agricole inerenti alla fienagione


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   / Hay baling #3  
I have a small kubota, b7300. Less than 20 hp and approx 1600 lbs. Is it possible to bale hay with this? If so, what used baler should I look at and mower (I assume sickle mower is best). Thanks!
Oh, last thing, it would be approx 5-6 acres so not a huge amt and it's flat.

Yep. Find a used baler that has its own engine. Some old balers (two twine, small squares) are run by 15-20 hp Wisconsin engines.

NH 320 square baler, Wisconsin engine | Proxibid

You could pull this size baler on level ground with your little B7300.

Your problem is low HP, but, more importantly, that B7300 is way too lightweight to run a standard size small square baler off its pto. The baler flywheel would really jerk that little tractor around.

I have an old Massey Ferguson 124 baler that I use on 6 of my 10 acres (flat pasture). I operate it off the pto of my 2008 Mahindra 5525 (54 hp engine, 45 hp pto, 2WD, gear tranny 8F/2R, about 6500 lb with the FEL and loaded rear tires).
 
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Welcome to TBN Dave.

If you do get a baling rig please put some pictures up for us to see. Sounds like fun.
 
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Your best bet is to mow, ted and rake the hay yourself, and have someone else bale it.

Most any 5-7' sickle bar mower will work with your tractor, however there are a few that will require an adapter to mount up to the 3pt hitch. A tedder is important to get the hay to dry quickly, especially since you won't be cutting it with a mower conditioner. I use a little 2-basket hay tedder behind my B3200 and it would work well on even a smaller tractor. Mine is about 7' wide. As for raking, there are a lot of options, anything from a small 4-wheel rake, to a side delivery would be suitable.

Your tractor isn't suited to most any type of square baler. It's just not built to take the rigors of baling. I have a New Holland 268 square baler, which is pretty small as far as balers go, and I wouldn't even consider pulling it with my B3200. One of the biggest problems is the drivetrain on these tractors can't take the lunging of the baler. It'd be a good way to tear the PTO out. There are probably either some small custom baling operations around or a neighbor with a tractor and baler that you could have do the baling for a small charge.
 
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I'll bet your little tractor could make maybe 3 bales before the baler destroyed your tractor. PTO would go first.
Balers are very hard on pto's and drive units.:D
 
   / Hay baling #7  
I'll bet your little tractor could make maybe 3 bales before the baler destroyed your tractor. PTO would go first.
Balers are very hard on pto's and drive units.:D

We broke the PTO clutch on a JD 4400 pulling a JD 337 baler with it. The 4400 is 35hp and much larger than a B-series, which is why the B stays far away from any balers. I use my NAA ford on the 268 baler, while not much tractor it is more suited to that type of work.
 
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I've been baling with my 35 hp JD for over 15 years. Never broke anything. What am I doing wrong??? I started out with the same baler and 22 hp and not even live power. How did that happen? Towed a wagon with it, too. I must be imagining things. (Except I have some kind of 'video tape' of my little Yannie doing the job. My baler doesn't rock or jar the tractor, it hardly even gets into the governor and can punch out 90 lb bales (Oops, I forgot to adjust from last year's 2nd cutting). Maybe it wasn't built in 1954 either.

Most 'farmers' I know who have equipment 'troubles' should consider employment in the fast food industry. They just aren't cut out to give iron and steel a fair shake. You know the kind: they can break a coat hanger in the laundramat: that's why they don't go there....
 
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I like this last post. Sums me up too. Of course I upgraded to some serious power over the years but I upgraded to some serious hay implements too.

Tha little tractor will run an older NH 66, a 335 JD or a 14T just fine. Don't plan on pulling a wagon, just bale on the ground and pick 'em up later.

The older small bailers are just fine for a small holding. I just sold a 66 that bailed like a top that would probably run with a Vee belt and a briggs and stratton. I sold it to an older couple with 5 acres and a horse that were tired of getting gouged by greedy hay brokers. They paid 500 for it. I felt good about them buying it. It filled a need for them and I knew it was going to a good home.

The older bailers are set for sisal and have double twine discs. They will run 170 poly all day. Use poly, Forget sisal. I've posted on many threads (on here) concerning older bailers and new ones. I count ties instead of sheep and I know knotters inside and out.

You want a sickle mower, not a disc. You don't have the power for a disc, especially a discbine. A sidemount sickle mower takes very little power. It also takes some skill to run effectively but it's a mastered skill. Once you master the technique, you'll be mowing as fast as a disc mower can. The Amish only run sickle bar mowers, pulled by horses with a forecart. It takes literally a few 'horsepower' to run one.

You don't have the tractor weight for any mower conditioner. They are heavy, you aren't. A plain jane sickle is what you want. Ken Sweet has plenty.

Forget any round bailer. One, they need some power and 2, what are you going to do with rounds anyway. You don't have any way to move or store them.

you want small squares, no bale wagon and some help to pick them up. A pickup is a nice haywagon. You'll need a rake. For a small holding, a side delivery NH or JD is just fine. They are ground drive and pull with a quad or your lawn tractor or your little tractor. You don't need a tedder or a merger or any of that crap, You want simple and reliable. Just keep the implements greased and in the barn when not in use. I keep my implements outside in the summer, but they are all tarped. In the winter they come into the shop where it's heated and get a complete service, all fluids changed, washed and greased (always after washing) and I never wash them during hay time, only when I put them up. The it's off to the barn to sit until the next summer.

I run big stuff with big tractors but I do it professionally. I started like you and grew.

Make it fun, don't make it tedious. I have fun doing what I do. It's always been enjoyable for me and I make good money doing it. I look forward with pride to bringing in a field of excellent forage. It makes my customers happy and me as well.

This probably sounds stupid but I feel closer to God out there in the field, all alone and if I make a mistake or I have a breakdown, I'm responsible, me alone. No one to blame, no one to pass the buck on. You take care of it and go on. That's what life is all about.

You'll have issues, we all do. Machines break. Far as bailers are concerned, I'm always around to offer advice.
 
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I've been baling with my 35 hp JD for over 15 years. Never broke anything. What am I doing wrong??? I started out with the same baler and 22 hp and not even live power. How did that happen? Towed a wagon with it, too. I must be imagining things. (Except I have some kind of 'video tape' of my little Yannie doing the job. My baler doesn't rock or jar the tractor, it hardly even gets into the governor and can punch out 90 lb bales (Oops, I forgot to adjust from last year's 2nd cutting). Maybe it wasn't built in 1954 either.


Well, glad it's worked out for you. The 1070 you are using is a sturdier tractor than the 4400, which could be part of your success. IIRC the 1070 traces it's roots back to the yanmar 50 series, such as the 1250, 1450, 1650, etc. They were designed as a lighter alternative to the Mannheim utility tractors of the era and were capable of some light farm work. That is completely different than the 4400 we used to have, or the B-series the OP has.

I stand by my statement 100% that most CUTs will not hold up to square baling, especially year after year. Something may break the first time around the field, or after 10yrs but it won't be pretty (or cheap) when it does. To me it's just not worth the risk of tearing up a good tractor over something it was never intended to do.

Most 'farmers' I know who have equipment 'troubles' should consider employment in the fast food industry. They just aren't cut out to give iron and steel a fair shake. You know the kind: they can break a coat hanger in the laundramat: that's why they don't go there....


BTW, on our farm we generally run a 337 JD square baler behind a 65hp JD 2550. We used to make close to 10,000 bales a year with that setup, and I never once broke anything on the tractor or baler. In fact the only thing that has ever been replace on the baler is a shear pin or two and a few pickup teeth.Tractor has seen nothing but routine maintenance and a few seals. My personal baler is the 268 NH and I've had exactly the same success with it, although it only sees maybe 1000 bales a year. IDK, maybe I'm doing something wrong....:laughing:
 
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