The world according to Monsanto II

[Don87]

Just remember that without the Monsanto's in the agri world there would have been hundreds of millions of people starve to death throughout the world. That people eating these foods live longer and live healthier lives than any before them in the history of man. Something to think about, especially if you are watching your child starve to death.

HS

That is changing as we speak: US Farmers Growing GM Maize for Fuel, Not Food - Bad Seed News


Campaigners say plants being grown in US may worsen global food crisis, while farmers express cross-contamination fears

 

[Farmwithjunk]

That is changing as we speak: US Farmers Growing GM Maize for Fuel, Not Food - Bad Seed News

And that's a BAD thing because....?????

Oh wait! It's NOT a bad thing. All it's accomplished so far is to give farmers enough for their crops so goverment subsidies to farmers can now be eliminated.....And it's put American raised crops on a more equal footing with foreign oil on the world market....and we can go on and on....

"Bad Seed News"...Now THERE'S a well respected, honest, open minded, respected news source. Is Geraldo Rivera the editor? Or maybe Jerry Springer?

 

[Duffster]

That is changing as we speak: US Farmers Growing GM Maize for Fuel, Not Food - Bad Seed News


Campaigners say plants being grown in US may worsen global food crisis, while farmers express cross-contamination fears

The anti food for fuel crowd always seems to forget that a large portion of the corn is left as feed. The more crops grown for fuel the better of the food situation is. If there are major shortages somewhere then we have the supply to cover it. We simply stop burning it for a while. If the crop was never grown to start with you have nothing.

 

[rd_macgregor]

If any of you really want to delve into the glyphosate side-effects issue, here are references for papers/presentations at a conference on glyphosate effects. Also below are some links for comments on the issue (from Monsanto and others).
BOB

Bonini, E.A., Ferrarese, M.L.L., Marchiosi, R., Zonetti, P.C., & Ferrarese-Filho, O. (2009)
A simple chromatographic assay to discriminate between glyphosate-resistant and susceptible soybean (Glycine max) cultivars. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 173-176
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : A simple chromatographic assay to discriminate between glyphosate-resistant and susceptible soybean (Glycine max) cultivars AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Bonini-Simple-chormatographic-assay-2009.pdf

Cakmak, I., Yazici, A., Tutus, Y., & Ozturk, L. (2009)
Glyphosate reduced seed and leaf concentrations of calcium, manganese, magnesium, and iron in non-glyphosate resistant soybean. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 114-119
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Glyphosate reduced seed and leaf concentrations of calcium, manganese, magnesium, and iron in non-glyphosate resistant soybean AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Cakmak-Glyphosate-Reduced-Seed-Leaf-2009.pdf

Editorial (2009)
Acknowledgements. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp iv-iv
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Acknowledgements AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Editorial-Acknowledgements-2009.pdf

Fernandez, M.R., Zentner, R.P., Basnyat, P., Gehl, D., Selles, F., & Huber, D. (2009)
Glyphosate associations with cereal diseases caused by Fusarium spp. in the Canadian Prairies. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 133-143
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Glyphosate associations with cereal diseases caused by Fusarium spp. in the Canadian Prairies AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Fernandez-Glyphosate-Associations-2009.pdf

Johal, G.S. & Huber, D.M. (2009)
Glyphosate effects on diseases of plants. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 144-152
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Glyphosate effects on diseases of plants AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Johal-Glyphosate-Effects-2009.pdf

Johnson, W.G., Davis, V.M., Kruger, G.R., & Weller, S.C. (2009)
Influence of glyphosate-resistant cropping systems on weed species shifts and glyphosate-resistant weed populations. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 162-172
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Influence of glyphosate-resistant cropping systems on weed species shifts and glyphosate-resistant weed populations AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Johnson-Influence-Glyphosate-Resistance-2009.pdf

Kremer, R.J. & Means, N.E. (2009)
Glyphosate and glyphosate-resistant crop interactions with rhizosphere microorganisms. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 153-161
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Glyphosate and glyphosate-resistant crop interactions with rhizosphere microorganisms AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Kremer-Glyphosate-Interactions-2009.pdf

Senem Su, Y., Ozturk, L., Cakmak, I., & Budak, H. (2009)
Turfgrass species response exposed to increasing rates of glyphosate application. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 120-125
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Turfgrass species response exposed to increasing rates of glyphosate application AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Su-Turfgrass-Species-Response-2009.pdf

Tesfamariam, T., Bott, S., Cakmak, I., Römheld, V., & Neumann, G. (2009)
Glyphosate in the rhizosphere--Role of waiting times and different glyphosate binding forms in soils for phytotoxicity to non-target plants. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 126-132
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Glyphosate in the rhizosphere—Role of waiting times and different glyphosate binding forms in soils for phytotoxicity to non-target plants AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Tesfamariam-Glyphosate-Rhizosphere-2009.pdf

Yamada, T., Kremer, R.J., de Camargo e Castro, P.R., & Wood, B.W. (2009)
Glyphosate interactions with physiology, nutrition, and diseases of plants: Threat to agricultural sustainability? European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 111-113
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Glyphosate interactions with physiology, nutrition, and diseases of plants: Threat to agricultural sustainability? AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Yamada-Glyphosate-Interactions-2009.pdf

Here some comprehensive and scientific Monsanto comments:

http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Monsanto-CPU-Glyphosate-Micronutriens-2011.pdf

http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Monsanto-on-Huber-Novel-Pathogen-20110224.pdf

http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Monsanto-Technical-Comments-Huber-20110707.pdf

and a special mention to the biofortified website on the topic, excellent summaries
Does glyphosate restrict crop mineral uptake? Biofortified
Extraordinary claims? require extraordinary evidence. Biofortified

some helpful glyphosate slides, as usual with full text references
http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Glyphosate-Slides-2011.ppt

and a recent summary of 'Reduced Tillage' references with full text links:
http://www.ask-force.org/web/Tillage/Bibliography-Notillage-20110820.pdf

 

[Don87]

Just remember that without the Monsanto's in the agri world there would have been hundreds of millions of people starve to death throughout the world. That people eating these foods live longer and live healthier lives than any before them in the history of man. Something to think about, especially if you are watching your child starve to death.

HS

Might want to check this out , as I said there are new studies every day disputing the claim of 'healthier:

GM Crops and the Decline of Bee Colonies in North America - Bad Seed News

From the article:

As seen above, it is certain that the digestive shutdown is due to hard material in the digestive tract that compromises the immune system. Circulatory problems would without doubt. Could it be that humans are going through the same process with the rise of Colon Cancer

 

[Don87]

And that's a BAD thing because....?????

If you read the link you will see that it actually is a bad thing.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

Might want to check this out , as I said there are new studies every day disputing the claim of 'healthier:

GM Crops and the Decline of Bee Colonies in North America - Bad Seed News

From the article:

As seen above, it is certain that the digestive shutdown is due to hard material in the digestive tract that compromises the immune system. Circulatory problems would without doubt. Could it be that humans are going through the same process with the rise of Colon Cancer

Let's see.....We have GMO crops.....and the New York Yankees haven't won a pennant in a few years....THERE IT IS.... GMO's caused the Yankees to lose.

The rise in DIAGNOSED colon cancer has been ongoing for 50 odd years, since the advent of proper testing. There is NO PROVEN LINK between colon cancer and GMO crops. Claiming so is simply pure conjecture and purely poor science.

There have been PROVEN reasons behind the decrease in bee colonies, and they have NOTHING to do with GMO crops... Again, bad science, false and misleading information.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

If you read the link you will see that it actually is a bad thing.

WHEN I read the link, I read where someone's non factual opinion stated it is a bad thing. Facts tell me otherwise. You still haven't learned to separate fact from opinion.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

If any of you really want to delve into the glyphosate side-effects issue, here are references for papers/presentations at a conference on glyphosate effects. Also below are some links for comments on the issue (from Monsanto and others).
BOB

Bonini, E.A., Ferrarese, M.L.L., Marchiosi, R., Zonetti, P.C., & Ferrarese-Filho, O. (2009)
A simple chromatographic assay to discriminate between glyphosate-resistant and susceptible soybean (Glycine max) cultivars. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 173-176
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : A simple chromatographic assay to discriminate between glyphosate-resistant and susceptible soybean (Glycine max) cultivars AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Bonini-Simple-chormatographic-assay-2009.pdf

Cakmak, I., Yazici, A., Tutus, Y., & Ozturk, L. (2009)
Glyphosate reduced seed and leaf concentrations of calcium, manganese, magnesium, and iron in non-glyphosate resistant soybean. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 114-119
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Glyphosate reduced seed and leaf concentrations of calcium, manganese, magnesium, and iron in non-glyphosate resistant soybean AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Cakmak-Glyphosate-Reduced-Seed-Leaf-2009.pdf

Editorial (2009)
Acknowledgements. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp iv-iv
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Acknowledgements AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Editorial-Acknowledgements-2009.pdf

Fernandez, M.R., Zentner, R.P., Basnyat, P., Gehl, D., Selles, F., & Huber, D. (2009)
Glyphosate associations with cereal diseases caused by Fusarium spp. in the Canadian Prairies. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 133-143
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Glyphosate associations with cereal diseases caused by Fusarium spp. in the Canadian Prairies AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Fernandez-Glyphosate-Associations-2009.pdf

Johal, G.S. & Huber, D.M. (2009)
Glyphosate effects on diseases of plants. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 144-152
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Glyphosate effects on diseases of plants AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Johal-Glyphosate-Effects-2009.pdf

Johnson, W.G., Davis, V.M., Kruger, G.R., & Weller, S.C. (2009)
Influence of glyphosate-resistant cropping systems on weed species shifts and glyphosate-resistant weed populations. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 162-172
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Influence of glyphosate-resistant cropping systems on weed species shifts and glyphosate-resistant weed populations AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Johnson-Influence-Glyphosate-Resistance-2009.pdf

Kremer, R.J. & Means, N.E. (2009)
Glyphosate and glyphosate-resistant crop interactions with rhizosphere microorganisms. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 153-161
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Glyphosate and glyphosate-resistant crop interactions with rhizosphere microorganisms AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Kremer-Glyphosate-Interactions-2009.pdf

Senem Su, Y., Ozturk, L., Cakmak, I., & Budak, H. (2009)
Turfgrass species response exposed to increasing rates of glyphosate application. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 120-125
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Turfgrass species response exposed to increasing rates of glyphosate application AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Su-Turfgrass-Species-Response-2009.pdf

Tesfamariam, T., Bott, S., Cakmak, I., Römheld, V., & Neumann, G. (2009)
Glyphosate in the rhizosphere--Role of waiting times and different glyphosate binding forms in soils for phytotoxicity to non-target plants. European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 126-132
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Glyphosate in the rhizosphere—Role of waiting times and different glyphosate binding forms in soils for phytotoxicity to non-target plants AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Tesfamariam-Glyphosate-Rhizosphere-2009.pdf

Yamada, T., Kremer, R.J., de Camargo e Castro, P.R., & Wood, B.W. (2009)
Glyphosate interactions with physiology, nutrition, and diseases of plants: Threat to agricultural sustainability? European Journal of Agronomy, 31, 3, pp 111-113
ScienceDirect - European Journal of Agronomy : Glyphosate interactions with physiology, nutrition, and diseases of plants: Threat to agricultural sustainability? AND http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Yamada-Glyphosate-Interactions-2009.pdf

Here some comprehensive and scientific Monsanto comments:

http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Monsanto-CPU-Glyphosate-Micronutriens-2011.pdf

http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Monsanto-on-Huber-Novel-Pathogen-20110224.pdf

http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Monsanto-Technical-Comments-Huber-20110707.pdf

and a special mention to the biofortified website on the topic, excellent summaries
Does glyphosate restrict crop mineral uptake? Biofortified
Extraordinary claims? require extraordinary evidence. Biofortified

some helpful glyphosate slides, as usual with full text references
http://www.ask-force.org/web/HerbizideTol/Glyphosate-Slides-2011.ppt

and a recent summary of 'Reduced Tillage' references with full text links:
http://www.ask-force.org/web/Tillage/Bibliography-Notillage-20110820.pdf

This is legitimate "science"....I've read a couple prior to your posting. These are objective, HONEST, and fact filled reports based on the examples I'm already familiar with (as opposed to "BAD SEED NEWS"...)

It would do everyone good to read these reports, but even with that, it takes a fair amount of background to UNDERSTAND them. There are risks in ANY venture man makes. With risks come rewards. There's the important part....Without these rewards, the world would be suffering mass starvation instead of the bountiful food supplies we now have.

I'm printing out those reports I haven't yet had the pleasure of reading so I can form an even more informed opinion, rather than the knee jerk reactions many seem to form from reading "Hysteria Monthly" non science articles.

 

[Don87]

Let's see.....We have GMO crops.....and the New York Yankees haven't won a pennant in a few years....THERE IT IS.... GMO's caused the Yankees to lose.

The rise in DIAGNOSED colon cancer has been ongoing for 50 odd years, since the advent of proper testing. There is NO PROVEN LINK between colon cancer and GMO crops. Claiming so is simply pure conjecture and purely poor science.

There have been PROVEN reasons behind the decrease in bee colonies, and they have NOTHING to do with GMO crops... Again, bad science, false and misleading information.

I think that's why they said more studies were needed. But according to you...........everything is peachy.