Buying Advice Need an all purpose machine.
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dodge man
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I've been in your place before. The truth is, any riding mower that cost a few hundred dollars used, or even $1200 new is a throw away. Depending on how you use it, it might last several years. If you didn't have 5 acres, I'd say a good riding mower is what you need.
I'll tell you my story and you can compare. I live on 3 acres in the country, and like many rural properties, its hilly, bumpy, I have trees, I handle fire wood, and I have a paved driveway that is 600 feet long to clear snow from in the winter. I bought a $1000 riding mower for the first go around. It lasted maybe 4 years and was falling apart, the deck was shot and so was the steering. I sold what was left of it for $50. I then bought a high priced riding mower, something like $4500. It held up better, but all it did was mow, I got stuck every so often, and it sucked on my hills. Like you say, one tire spins. When I sold this $4500 mower after a few years, I got $750. I now have a Kubota BX2350, end loader, rear blade, 60" mowing deck (mid mount mower) and a rear blade for the 3 point and a 4' 3 point brush mower. Brand new, this stuff will set you back over $10,000, closer to $15,000. Well used stuff will still be over $5000.
I feel like it was money well spent, I don't hate mowing anymore, with a end loader, you won't use a shovel and wheel barrow very much, snow removal is so much easier, no more walking behind a snow blower. I can move piles of dirt, gravel, dig holes, all while sitting down. Its saved me a lot of back pain.
You have to think of this as an investment, a long term purchase. Figure out how to save for it or afford the payements, and you won't regret it.
I'll tell you my story and you can compare. I live on 3 acres in the country, and like many rural properties, its hilly, bumpy, I have trees, I handle fire wood, and I have a paved driveway that is 600 feet long to clear snow from in the winter. I bought a $1000 riding mower for the first go around. It lasted maybe 4 years and was falling apart, the deck was shot and so was the steering. I sold what was left of it for $50. I then bought a high priced riding mower, something like $4500. It held up better, but all it did was mow, I got stuck every so often, and it sucked on my hills. Like you say, one tire spins. When I sold this $4500 mower after a few years, I got $750. I now have a Kubota BX2350, end loader, rear blade, 60" mowing deck (mid mount mower) and a rear blade for the 3 point and a 4' 3 point brush mower. Brand new, this stuff will set you back over $10,000, closer to $15,000. Well used stuff will still be over $5000.
I feel like it was money well spent, I don't hate mowing anymore, with a end loader, you won't use a shovel and wheel barrow very much, snow removal is so much easier, no more walking behind a snow blower. I can move piles of dirt, gravel, dig holes, all while sitting down. Its saved me a lot of back pain.
You have to think of this as an investment, a long term purchase. Figure out how to save for it or afford the payements, and you won't regret it.
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Reading your criteria I think you should expand your search to slightly smaller garden tractors as well. I don't really know what class you'd call them, but most have a 48-54" deck, and the ability to handle front and rear mount attachments although most aren't hydraulic. I don't know a lot of models off hand, but I have a 265 John Deere garden tractor and it easily does the type of tasks you mention. It is hydrostatic, has a good 17hp Kawasaki industrial engine, a real frame, 48" mower, and the ability to run a front snow blower, front blade, rear mount tiller, as well as a sleeve hitch to use a small moldboard plow, disc, or other garden implements. It has a set of factory wheel weights and goes up, down and around hills a lot steeper than our old lawn tractor would. In that series there was the 240, 245, 260, 265, and 285. Available in both gear drive and hydro. I often see those go for about $2K in decent shape. There was also the GT series which was a little newer but about the same size units. I know that Cud Cadet also made several machines in that class, and those from the 80's-90's are fairly affordable as well.
Totally understood about the investment bit. Given your username, you'd probably appreciate this... Bought a 2001 Dodge Ram 2500 about a year ago as an investment. One of the last Cummins engines without all the EGR and DPF emissions junk on it.
I'd say I made out pretty well on that deal, $10k for a rust free 4x4 with 160K on the clock. Though that's after I put a brand new injector pump, fuel system, and aftermarket engine monitoring gauges on it. I paid $8K for it and thought I had darn near stolen it.
Same truck with many more miles and some visible rust went for $14K.
Bartcephus
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Pele,
I think that you will find that a "lawn tractor" with a FEL really won't do what you want it to do. Even with my 30 H.P. New Holland, I will loose traction and spin the wheels on occasion. Don't think that a 8N is really all that big. I encourage you to DREAM BIG. You won't be disappointed with more power and versatillity. :thumbsup:
I think that you will find that a "lawn tractor" with a FEL really won't do what you want it to do. Even with my 30 H.P. New Holland, I will loose traction and spin the wheels on occasion. Don't think that a 8N is really all that big. I encourage you to DREAM BIG. You won't be disappointed with more power and versatillity. :thumbsup:
If it's too big to put in the bed of a full size pickup for transport or in an 8x12 backyard shed for storage, then it's too big to keep around my house.
The 5 acre property has no buildings, so there's no place to store it there.
I can ditch the jobs on the 5 acre and continue paying my guy or do the work manually with a trimmer. Then I can just go with just a small garden tractor for home use. I still haven't gotten anyone's opinion on the little John Deeres that I've been looking at... Specifically the 318 or 420. Nobody's told me why these would be a bad choice.
Are these things too old to use? Will implements or spare parts be hard to find?
I keep seeing people talking about fresh paint and new decals. Are these things just collectors' items or can they still be used for work?
I've got cars that are older and I know that finding spare parts can be a full time job. I've known people to manufacture their own parts on a lathe or milling machine.
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They are good garden tractors, just find one in good shape without a ton of hours if that is the route you want to go. They are not too old to use, the 265 I mentioned in my last post is about that vintage, still starts every week and has never had anything other than routine maintenance. John Deere is very good about parts, you could go into any Deere dealer in the country and they would probably have any regular maintenance items, belts, blades, and common parts in stock. Whatever they don't have can be ordered and often is available the next day. Deere still has part available for tractors that are 50+ years old, so that should be the least of your worries.
One other option to throw out there is one of the smaller, old Kubota tractors. Something along the lines of a B5100, B6100, B7100, etc. They have more real tractor features, and if you go with a 2wd you should be able to find one in your budget.
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Well said.
PossumHound
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This suggestion is probably too much for your 1/4 acre lots, but would allow you to ditch the custom bushhogging on the 5 acre lot. Of course, you'll need a trailer to move it and it has no loader plus its over-kill for your lawn mowing needs. But if you really want to consider powering implements/splitters etc. this one's ready to go:
1987 JOHN DEERE 750 Tractors - Less than 40 HP For Sale At TractorHouse.com
For such a good looking machine the price on that one is very good. I can also tell you those JD 650/750 machines are tough little bad boys - for 20 hp you won't believe what they can do.
PH
1987 JOHN DEERE 750 Tractors - Less than 40 HP For Sale At TractorHouse.com
For such a good looking machine the price on that one is very good. I can also tell you those JD 650/750 machines are tough little bad boys - for 20 hp you won't believe what they can do.
PH
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I don't think either of those Deere models would be a bad choice You should be able to find either within your price range, but expect a lot of hours. They'd be good mowing machines, but neither of those could accept a loader or run a rotary cutter (although the 420 does have a PTO and 3PH) which is what I believe you wanted.
But for basic mowing, you could do just as well with a cheaper lawn tractor. That, and as you know, Deere parts aren't cheap.