New Yanmars!

[5030]

That is going to put a serious hurt on the orange and green machines and the other red ones good for Yanmar. The Japanese make the best stuff anyway if we are importing things thats the best place to do it from. my .02

A fair statement however the Japanese learned just about everything from us and they are great copycats of superior technology.

The best place to 'import' stuff from is not to import it at all, but make it here, with American craftsmanship.

People need to learn that or it will be a very painful lesson, in the end.

Finally, Yanmar won't cause much of an effect on the orange machines or the green machines, both are still superior in technology and most importantly dealer networks....and they will stay that way.

Just take a look at Kioti.

 

[California]

Finally, Yanmar won't cause much of an effect on the orange machines or the green machines, both are still superior in technology and most importantly dealer networks....and they will stay that way.

How can Deere be superior in technology to Yanmar when Yanmar built the small Deeres for 20+ years?

I like to think that ugly green thing in my avatar was the model that spooked Deere into contracting Yanmar to build for Deere, instead of designing their own competitor to outsell the then-new Yanmar (and Kubota) imports.

Dealer networks, you're probably right. But what we're reading in the Yanmar forum is that Deere owners are going to the third-party, gray-Yanmar parts suppliers for support they can't get from Deere.

Nothing wrong with Deere, they're top quality. But they relied on Yanmar to provide that quality for them to sell, in the small tractor segment for many years.

I don't know how much impact Yanmar will have on the US market but I think after a few years they will have a well deserved reputation for first-tier quality.

 

[5030]

I surprised my old boss with the Yanmar slight of hand. He was a 'buy American fanatic and bought a small Deere and was blowing about being made in America....until I opened the hood.......

Piointing at the valve cover I said...." That don't look like it's English to me".....:laughing:

I hauled many a Deere out of Horicon, Wisconsin with Yanmars under the hood.

They are, no doubt a quality made, long lasting tractor, at least the engine is. It all boils down to dealer network, sales and service and in that respect, it's all uphill, much like it was for Kubota 30 years ago.

Even I would consider one as a utility type tractor in an open station configuration, however, I don't see 'deflated' pricing because of the disparity of the Yen to the USD. They can't give them away

 

[Car Doc]

A fair statement however the Japanese learned just about everything from us and they are great copycats of superior technology.

The best place to 'import' stuff from is not to import it at all, but make it here, with American craftsmanship.

People need to learn that or it will be a very painful lesson, in the end.

Finally, Yanmar won't cause much of an effect on the orange machines or the green machines, both are still superior in technology and most importantly dealer networks....and they will stay that way.

Just take a look at Kioti.

I certainly dont disagree on the best import is no import but thats a completely different argument as far as WHY it is the way it is Yanmar is for a fact not the cause of that.

As far as whether Yanmar USA hurts orange and green and the other colors time will tell is all any of us can say for certainty.

And I stick to my statement that the Japanese make the best stuff. (so far) Kubota is made in Japan isn't it?

 

[5030]

I certainly dont disagree on the best import is no import but thats a completely different argument as far as WHY it is the way it is Yanmar is for a fact not the cause of that.

As far as whether Yanmar USA hurts orange and green and the other colors time will tell is all any of us can say for certainty.

And I stick to my statement that the Japanese make the best stuff. (so far) Kubota is made in Japan isn't it?

Some of it (Kubota) is (made in Japan) and some is made here. The tires and rims are sourced here (Titan Wheel). The implements are alll made here, either by subcontractors or in Kubota's Georgia facility.

I must be a bit older than you because I still remember the little transistor radio's that were made in Japan and the cheap toys at SS Kresgee that were Japanese. The Japanese have came a long way and are very good at copying Western technology.

I laugh everytime someone in my industry talks about the Japanese efficiency and production models. None of that would have ever come to be without us....and that includes their 'best stuff'.

If it wasn't for American technology and money, they'd still be working rice paddy's with 2 wheel, crude Japanese tractors.

The Japanes are very good at copying and then improving. A very industrious society, sort of like what we used to be.

If there was an honest to goodness American Manufactured tractor left, I'd buy one, in a heartbeat.

....and the Chinese and Middle Eastern countries are closing in on them.....

All while we consume their goods.

 

[winston1]

Aren't all the monster john deeres and maybe other brand tractors made in the USA? Talking about those sure nuff big boys that run the fields without a driver using gps technology.

 

[5030]

Aren't all the monster john deeres and maybe other brand tractors made in the USA? Talking about those sure nuff big boys that run the fields without a driver using gps technology.

Some are, some aren't. They are too cumbersome for my operation as I don't engage the ground. Nothing that is ideal for my use is made here.

Far as GPS guidance is concerned, you still need an operator. The GPS can't control the implement, only steer the tractor and it still has to be programmed according to the field. Finally they have a habit of losing the signal and then the field gets funky, real fast........:laughing:

 

[Car Doc]

I must be a bit older than you because I still remember the little transistor radio's that were made in Japan and the cheap toys at SS Kresgee that were Japanese.

Hahaha yes you may be a bit older but I remember them too!

When they first came out my dad was a tube radio and short wave hobbyist and builder and he was also a WW2 B-17 bombardier and he said the Japs were some industrious people and nothing is impossible for them and the fact these were so small was remarkable still is imo.

The integrated circuit was invented by Jack Kilby a central Kansas native btw go figure.

 

[houstonscott]

To discuss Yanmar tractors and all the other Japanese tractors you need to understand the history of Japan and farming since WWII. While Dr. Deming did his part to create a system of business management that lead to quality in all Japanese manufacturing the small tractor was born of small farms and social customs. While in the USA big farms became more profitable they needed bigger tractors with more HP to work those gigantic properties. American companies like JD responded with ever bigger machines and engines. In Japan the small family tractor was being developed with small diesel engines. If you have ever been to Japan or S. Korea you understand that every thing is cultivated. There are no green grass lawns in back yards, family homes and properties have food plots, cultivated by very small tractors with small diesel engines to fit. With a Deming system in place all the small manufactures improved their small tractors and most important the diesel engines. Incremental improvement over 65 years has lead to modern Isiki, Yanmar, Kubota, Mitsubishi tractors and small engines. While the US is the top dog in large AG machinery Japan has a 65 year start on them in the small diesel engine market, and the US is not going to over take them anytime soon. To cut to the chase Japan makes the best small diesel engines and tractors by far, no one can touch them, US makes the big stuff, and no one can touch them. Now to throw a wrench in the works. VW and Bosch have developed the high pressure diesel, and all diesels are starting to benefit from high pressure direct injection, the German's have developed and perfected. Yanmar's new marine engines are BWM developed and set the standard for the world. The new small Yanmars have high pressure piezo injectors and four valve heads. If you want a small tractor you want Japanese, they are simply the best. I might add they are under pressure by the S. Koreans not the US and LS like the battle between Samsung and Sony and S. Korean cars LS may have eclipse them.

HS

 

[Car Doc]

Off subject sorry but talking about Japanese superiority in manufacturing I make my living fixing Asian cars and Toyota and Honda specifically.

I cant count the ways a Jap car is superior to the big 3 its incomprehensible to the average consumer what really goes into designing these cars and trucks.

There is no absolutely no comparison they all go from point a to point b thats where the similarity ends. I would go so far as say the big 3 is copying from Toyota and Honda if anything and it is helping we ARE building better and better cars.

Off my soap box now carry on.