backhoe mount

[RC CARLS]

Got a good deal on a john deere mo#46 backhoe. Now I have to figure out how to mount it on a 1959 ford mo#861. The tractor does'nt like the hoe hanging off the 3point. There must be some kind of sub frame I should be useing. Any Ideas?

 

[DennisFolsom]

If you do a little snooping around in JD Parts Online, you should be able to find and print diagrams of the the subframe sections that go with a 46 backhoe. I believe they put this hoe on JD4300's and JD4400's, among others.

www.jdparts.com

You don't have to sign up to browse the parts diagrams. This is the same lookup that John Deere dealers use.

You could probably fabricate a similar mounting system for your tractor. The critical thing is to get your custom mount properly "tied in" structurally to your tractor. Even though John Deere's design doesn't, you might want to make frame rails that go under the tractor, to allow a better connection ahead of the rear axle.

 

[DennisFolsom]

RC CARLS -

I had a few more thoughts about your situation this morning. Pardon me if I am blunt.

3 point implements are pretty much universal. Backhoes are another matter entirely. Due to the strong connection needed between the hoe and the tractor, manufacturers have engineered specific attachment systems.

Getting a "good deal" on a John Deere backhoe to put on your Ford tractor is about like getting a good deal on a Chevy engine to put in your Ford truck. Can it be done? Yes. Does it make sense? Probably not.

If you were dealing with a newer Ford/New Holland tractor, I would recommend looking for a backhoe subframe specific to your tractor and trying to marry the JD backhoe to it. I don't know if a 3rd party backhoe maker, such as Woods, would have a subframe for your tractor, but it might be worth a try.

Did you get the "tractor side" pieces of the John Deere mounting system in your deal? If not, you might be able to track them down. I'm reasonably sure it's a two-piece system that bolts up to each side of the tractor's rear end, instead of a subframe that goes under the tractor. Having those pieces would give you a jump start in fabricating your mounting system.

Are you skilled at welding and heavy metal fabrication? If not you should hire it done by someone who is qualified. The cost of this is another reason to reconsider.

I don't think your project is for the faint of heart, or the light of wallet. You may want to cut your losses and sell that "good deal" to someone else.

Either way you go, best of luck to you. If you go ahead, post some photos of the project.

 

[MikeD74T]

RC, Had a 841D with industrial loader(don't remember the loader number, it was square tube walkthru type). I made extensions from 4' heavy wall pipe from loader frame under brake/clutch pedals to just beyond 3pt hitch. Hung from loader brackets under rear axle. Plate across the back connected the pipes & bolted to my Long backhoe. Was not quick but was detachable as a unit. Sorry I don't have pictures & I cut it up after trading tractors & readapting the backhoe. Look on the Woods site in their manual section. You may find an adapter you can easily modify. If you need more I might be able to sketch something up. What FEL do you have? MikeD74T

 

[RC CARLS]

RC CARLS -

I had a few more thoughts about your situation this morning. Pardon me if I am blunt.

3 point implements are pretty much universal. Backhoes are another matter entirely. Due to the strong connection needed between the hoe and the tractor, manufacturers have engineered specific attachment systems.

Getting a "good deal" on a John Deere backhoe to put on your Ford tractor is about like getting a good deal on a Chevy engine to put in your Ford truck. Can it be done? Yes. Does it make sense? Probably not.

If you were dealing with a newer Ford/New Holland tractor, I would recommend looking for a backhoe subframe specific to your tractor and trying to marry the JD backhoe to it. I don't know if a 3rd party backhoe maker, such as Woods, would have a subframe for your tractor, but it might be worth a try.

Did you get the "tractor side" pieces of the John Deere mounting system in your deal? If not, you might be able to track them down. I'm reasonably sure it's a two-piece system that bolts up to each side of the tractor's rear end, instead of a subframe that goes under the tractor. Having those pieces would give you a jump start in fabricating your mounting system.

Are you skilled at welding and heavy metal fabrication? If not you should hire it done by someone who is qualified. The cost of this is another reason to reconsider.

I don't think your project is for the faint of heart, or the light of wallet. You may want to cut your losses and sell that "good deal" to someone else.

Either way you go, best of luck to you. If you go ahead, post some photos of the project.

Thanks Dennis. I'll go to jdparts.com as soon as I'm done here. About the welding and fabricating-I am 35 years in the welding trade with multiple welding certifications . aws D1.1 , pipe certifications in 3&4G. Minnesota structual brige, crane boom certs for American,Manatawoc, and Linkbelt cranes and I also have access to a mechanical engineer. I look forward to these kind of projecs. They do take some thought and time so it is a relativily slow process. Thanks again Dennis I will up date information as I move forward.

 

[DennisFolsom]

RC CARLS -

Looks like you are well qualified for the job, and should have an idea of the strength needed.

I really like the way my JD 48 backhoe attaches and detaches. I believe the 46 is similar, but smaller. If you adapted the JD parts to a fabricated subframe, you could have a good system for quickly attaching and detaching the hoe.

Once again, good luck on your project!

 

[RPW]

Just a comment. I would love to find a good deal on a Deere 48 backhoe. 20-20 hindsight, should have ordered it when I bought my tractor.

 

[Soundguy]

Got a good deal on a john deere mo#46 backhoe. Now I have to figure out how to mount it on a 1959 ford mo#861. The tractor does'nt like the hoe hanging off the 3point. There must be some kind of sub frame I should be useing. Any Ideas?

you are starting with a decent tractor. the 8xx fords had a beefier rear end.

now.. no doubt a full subframe would be nicer.. but many get by with a 3pt hoe by themselves. I prefer a lil bracing myself.

I married a woods 6500 to my 850

I made up 2 beams on the underside of of box tubing, and then at the top link area I welded up a cradle that supports the toplink to keep the rocker from moving, using as many top cover and axle trumpet bolts and studs as I could.

I havn't ripped any stumps out or anything.. but for digging.. she does just fine... that jd 46 hoe doesn't look to be much more how than this 6500 is.. so should be a good deal especially if you are a welder.

mine's got a pto pump, and runs fine with the tractor idling... hoe also solved my rear ballast issue for the loader

here's my 850 with a ford 722 1-arm loader, and the hoe.

soundguy