Rear remote for Massey Ferguson 1533
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Do you have PB port on your FEL valve?
I'm not even sure what to look for. I don't think there are any other ports on the valve but it's in a tight spot. The dealer said something to the effect of the rear valve being a "sandwich" valve or something like that. Hooks right up to the trans case. There do appear to be a couple of ports on the case below the FEL valve that could be the hookup points. No markings I can see. Took some pics.
Looking back from under the right step.
Underneath.
The two ports I mentioned earlier. There also appear to be a couple extra plugged ports or mounting points.
Other shots showing more of the same from other angles.
Looking back from under the right step.
Underneath.
The two ports I mentioned earlier. There also appear to be a couple extra plugged ports or mounting points.
Other shots showing more of the same from other angles.
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So, if I understand you, you only have hyd for the 3pt. Can you follow the pump pressure line to the back?
Do you have a manual for your tractor, it should show all the connections.
You mention FEL valve but I don't see it in the pictures.
Do you have a manual for your tractor, it should show all the connections.
You mention FEL valve but I don't see it in the pictures.
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The valve in the pic is the joystick control for the FEL. That and the 3pt lift arms (everything internal except the control lever) are the only hydraulics on the tractor. The owners manual discusses the rear remotes and FEL joystick operation but no technical details.
Pic 2 and 3 could be spliced together.
Pic 2 and 3 could be spliced together.
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Take the sandwich term for what it is, the rear remotes get stacked together. Go to the AGCO partsbooks site, and look up your tractor. Really a simple idea.
Cant run the rears off the loader stick, that I know of.
Cant run the rears off the loader stick, that I know of.
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Typically the PB runs from the loader valve to feed the 3 point hitch, so the hydraulic line going to the 3 point from the loader will go to a PB port on the loader valve. That's the way my Kubota is plumbed anyway.
If you choose to add rear remotes and don't want to use MF kits, you'll need to piece together the parts separately. It's definitely do-able, and probably cheaper, but not as easy. I did it with my Kubota since no kits were available for that particular model.
Sean
I did look that up... it was several months ago that I talked to the dealer but looking at the drawing, it all makes sense now. I don't want to use the MF kit though - at nearly $2000, I figure I can save a bundle and learn something too. Don't care that it might not look as pretty... function over form, here.
So, I see nothing going from the FEL valve to the 3pt ... just a lever from the seat area that disappears into the case. It would appear that it's all internal.
The parts book also suggests that my initial thought of the two mystery "ports" in the pics above are what I'd use (they might be useable for this purpose, I have no idea) is incorrect. The MF kit mounts up near the top of the case and bolts onto the side of same. The control sticks would then easily poke through to the seating area. Looking at it this AM, there appears to be a little "bellied-out" cover bolted onto the place where the valve would sit. I'm guessing that cover is some sort of bypass. I'm wondering what is underneath that cover (asking the question before I try to unbolt it and see). If it's just a supply port and return port that are connected together via that cover, then I wonder if it would be possible to install connectors and hoses into those ports (ie: would those ports be threaded for a standard connector or would they be smooth and just allow fluid to flow to/from the valve?)
I admit I know practically nothing about hydraulics, but I'm interested in learning as I've got more than just this in mind for the future.
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Babzog, I know you are familiar with the Massey-Ferguson Owning/Operating forum from your hydraulic bleeding problem you posted there. There is also a good thread about PB on the 1533 and adding remotes. Sometimes looking at the factory remotes can be a big help in deciding how to build your own. The last post in the linked thread has an illustration of the MF remotes for your tractor in addition to some great info about PB in other posts in this thread.
PB on a MF1533
PB on a MF1533
Hi jinman,
Thanks for that link! I went out and had another look at the tractor. I see now where the hardline is for the 3pt hydraulics. With a wheel and cover in the way, it's really hard to see. Knowing where to look helped. :thumbsup:
Okay, so I'd remove that line, install a hose on the fitting on the FEL valve and run that to a new valve for my remotes. PB from the new valve back to the 3pt connection I previously disconnected. The only part I'm missing now, is where the return goes... where's that plug located?
Regarding the valve... is there anything I should be looking for in a new valve? One thing I might want to do is run a log splitter, so I think I'd need at least one to have a locking position? As well, I'm not sure I fully understand what "open center" means... my guess is that it allows the fluid to flow through the valve when not being used and it would allow whatever is attached to remain in the set position (forgive my newbie interpretation). Is there a difference between an open center and PB on the valve if both allow fluid to flow when not in use?
Thanks for that link! I went out and had another look at the tractor. I see now where the hardline is for the 3pt hydraulics. With a wheel and cover in the way, it's really hard to see. Knowing where to look helped. :thumbsup:
Okay, so I'd remove that line, install a hose on the fitting on the FEL valve and run that to a new valve for my remotes. PB from the new valve back to the 3pt connection I previously disconnected. The only part I'm missing now, is where the return goes... where's that plug located?
Regarding the valve... is there anything I should be looking for in a new valve? One thing I might want to do is run a log splitter, so I think I'd need at least one to have a locking position? As well, I'm not sure I fully understand what "open center" means... my guess is that it allows the fluid to flow through the valve when not being used and it would allow whatever is attached to remain in the set position (forgive my newbie interpretation). Is there a difference between an open center and PB on the valve if both allow fluid to flow when not in use?
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Some tractors only have the pump, 3pt, reservoir, and things are simple, because the low pressure out of the valve goes directly to tank.
The problem is, that just about all hydraulic valves, have a low psi rating between 250 and 500 psi. Herein lies the problem, no one seems to know if the high back pressure, maybe as high as 2500 psi will burst the an upstream valve, theoretically it could/should .
Best situation is where the loader valve has a PB port for downstream operations. All valve is series should have PB as the PB port is stronger and can take the pump pressure.
Some people have run downstream valves off the loader valves with no PB, and they seem to work .
With a loader valve installed, and you use the 3pt, the complete hyd circuit is pressurized, and all components should be able to withstand high pressure.
If you determine that you have PB, then the rest is fairly easy, if you can find a place to mount the parts/remotes. You could set up a valve with 3 spools, with different configurations, and be very versatile. For instance, you could set up a T-N-T rig, A detent spool could feed your log splitter. Float on one of the spools might be useful.
There is an easy and less expensive way to feed the log splitter, and that is to provide a hose from the loader /pump with a QD, call it Aux1. Another hose from the 3pto the rear, with QD and call it Aux2.
With no attachment, a short jumper with QD's will connect Aux1 and Aux2 together. When you want to use the log splitter, remove the short hose, and plug in the log splitter.
Your hyd flow path will now be pump, loader, log splitter, 3pt, and reservoir.
Tell us all the details about your tractor hyd, and someone should be able to help you get the maximum use out of the tractor hyd and any attachments.
Knowing the GPM's, and pressure the force in tons can be computed, and the cycle time.
Open center hyd system means that the pump is pumping fluid anytime the engine is running. The hyd fluid is flowing through the open center passages of the valve and through all valves in series.
Which ever valve lever is activated, will use the potential pressure and GPM's to operate cyl's/hyd motors, etc. The first valve up stream has priority, and also has the relief for the hyd system.
The problem is, that just about all hydraulic valves, have a low psi rating between 250 and 500 psi. Herein lies the problem, no one seems to know if the high back pressure, maybe as high as 2500 psi will burst the an upstream valve, theoretically it could/should .
Best situation is where the loader valve has a PB port for downstream operations. All valve is series should have PB as the PB port is stronger and can take the pump pressure.
Some people have run downstream valves off the loader valves with no PB, and they seem to work .
With a loader valve installed, and you use the 3pt, the complete hyd circuit is pressurized, and all components should be able to withstand high pressure.
If you determine that you have PB, then the rest is fairly easy, if you can find a place to mount the parts/remotes. You could set up a valve with 3 spools, with different configurations, and be very versatile. For instance, you could set up a T-N-T rig, A detent spool could feed your log splitter. Float on one of the spools might be useful.
There is an easy and less expensive way to feed the log splitter, and that is to provide a hose from the loader /pump with a QD, call it Aux1. Another hose from the 3pto the rear, with QD and call it Aux2.
With no attachment, a short jumper with QD's will connect Aux1 and Aux2 together. When you want to use the log splitter, remove the short hose, and plug in the log splitter.
Your hyd flow path will now be pump, loader, log splitter, 3pt, and reservoir.
Tell us all the details about your tractor hyd, and someone should be able to help you get the maximum use out of the tractor hyd and any attachments.
Knowing the GPM's, and pressure the force in tons can be computed, and the cycle time.
Open center hyd system means that the pump is pumping fluid anytime the engine is running. The hyd fluid is flowing through the open center passages of the valve and through all valves in series.
Which ever valve lever is activated, will use the potential pressure and GPM's to operate cyl's/hyd motors, etc. The first valve up stream has priority, and also has the relief for the hyd system.
I know this is an old thread but it is exactly what I need to do. I have an FEL with the joy stick next to the seat. I also have a backhoe that gets hydraulic fluid from a port on the transmission and returns fluid to the transmission. Is there any reason I can't put a spool valve in series with the backhoe to feed two rear remotes? Thinking I would put the spool valve between the backhoe return and the transmission. If this won"t work I would really appreciate alternative suggestions.
