Best all around gun?

   / Best all around gun? #401  
Please don't assume I'm stupid and don't know the difference between low brass and high brass.

If you want 'info' on low brass and the SPECIFIC type of autoloading shotgun I mentioned, feel free to log in and read up on many A5 forums. You will find that many A5 owners experience feed, ejection / hang /stovepipe and similar issues with low brass shells.

I didn't wake up the other morning and make that up out of thin air.. :(

soundguy

Here's a link to my buddy with his boy and his newly purchased A5, it knows how to shoot bunny's too......

Dances with Wabbits II - YouTube
 
   / Best all around gun? #402  
Man, I like gun discussions, but boy was it a chore to read all these posts in one sitting.

I honestly don't know how many handguns and rifles I have as I give some away to my sons from time to time and buy some too.

As to the OP, I think it is a lot like other things and dependent on the individual and will include things such as size, age, strength, mobility, familiarity with firearms, willingness to become and remain proficient.

A shotgun is a good choice for some, but not others, a short barreled carbine same thing and for some who are willing to take the time to master, it is hard to beat a good handgun. I use to get to shoot more than now and hunted with a handgun; only owned one rifle and that was a Marlin 39A Golden Mountie.

Now as age has sneaked up on me, I hunt with a bolt gun and have a Ruger Mini 14 Ranch Rifle with Hogue Stock and Holosight as well as a Sig 556 with red dot, Colt HBAR with iron sights and some others.

I have a Beretta 12, but can't handle the recoil and gave my Frianchi 20 gauge to one of my kids.

My son served in the Navy then Army Special Operations and got LOTS of training then he was a Police Officer and Firearms Instructor. He has gone back to college, but still teaches Sniper, Land Navigation, Patrol Rifle and handgun course mostly private classes.

The question of the "best" gun always comes up, we we will sit an example of about every possible configuration out on a table and let people handle every one to narrow it down and then let them shoot some.

What may have seemed ideal may turn out not to fit or the person is uncomfortable with it.

My recommendation is to try as many guns as you can get your hands on and consult with a professional.

Random observations:

I spent 32 years working for the Department of Corrections and Division of Probation and Parole. As an Officer, one of my jobs was to interview crime victims and submit a "Victim Impact Statement" to be used in sentencing an parole consideration. As a Lead Unit Supervisor, I read and approved all such reports submitted by Officers in three counties. I can't remember any victim of a violent crime or the family of a murder victim that didn't think, "It will never happen to me."

I worked in a large city as well as a rural area, so was exposed to a diverse demographic cross section.

I worked in a county designated as a poverty zone and people could barely afford to buy a gun and ammo, throw in licensing fees and classrooms and they would be unable to arm themselves.

A few years ago the requirement to obtain a "Permit to Acquire a Concealable Firearm" essentially any handgun was eliminated with dire predictions made; nothing happened, no increase in crime etc.

CCW became possible a few years ago again with dire predictions that never came to pass.

As I stated in another thread regarding people from BFE, Oz, Canada etc., I will respect your opinions, I ask you only to reciprocate.

Sorry, brevity is not my forte maybe not even clarity of thought.
 
   / Best all around gun? #403  
Didn't Fiocche used to make 12g trap loads with no brass(well, there was a brass piece in the plastic case). I do not see them in the current catalog though...

it's a mag tube ring issue.. and I don't particularly feel like disassembling and breaking down my shotgun each time just to shoot cheap ammo...

soundguy
 
   / Best all around gun? #404  
Didn't Fiocche used to make 12g trap loads with no brass(well, there was a brass piece in the plastic case). I do not see them in the current catalog though...

I don't know who made them.. but yeah.. somebody did.

I had a bunch of them and the first time i fired I hung one in my autoloader. took 20 minutes to clear it :(

they fired fine thru a mossberg 500a pump though...

soundguy
 
   / Best all around gun? #405  
Please don't assume I'm stupid and don't know the difference between low brass and high brass.

If you want 'info' on low brass and the SPECIFIC type of autoloading shotgun I mentioned, feel free to log in and read up on many A5 forums. You will find that many A5 owners experience feed, ejection / hang /stovepipe and similar issues with low brass shells.

I didn't wake up the other morning and make that up out of thin air.. :(

it's a mag tube ring issue.. and I don't particularly feel like disassembling and breaking down my shotgun each time just to shoot cheap ammo...

soundguy

I didn't assume you were stupid, you just didn't mention the A5 until later in the thread. It never occurred to me that you would try to shoot skeet with an A5. I have never seen anyone try it, for obvious reasons. The skeet shooting comment is what threw me off, since you can't shoot skeet with factory hunting loads. The range won't let you. I assumed you were loading heavy lead into empty hulls to limit the muzzle velocity, and just wanted to point out that you can do that just as easily with low base shells.

If you don't shoot skeet, you could have just not mentioned it, and instead said that trap loads won't cycle your shotgun. That's not uncommon with older autoloader designs.
 
   / Best all around gun? #406  
CCW became possible a few years ago again with dire predictions that never came to pass.

It's obvious that the number of guns is not related to gun violence. In the last 20 years, Americans have gone on a gun buying spree. The number of guns in private hands has gone from 223 million in 1995 to 300 million today, and the rate of violent crime in America has dropped to 1960 levels. That's law and order that hasn't been seen in 50 years.
 
   / Best all around gun? #407  
I didn't assume you were stupid, you just didn't mention the A5 until later in the thread.

between post 356 and 361 I mentioned I dind't like low brass at all.. not even target ( skeet specifically mentioned ).. then a couple posts later someone mentioned another brand, and my reply was that my A5 didn't like low brass loads.



It never occurred to me that you would try to shoot skeet with an A5. I have never seen anyone try it, for obvious reasons. The skeet shooting comment is what threw me off

I know MANY people that shoot skeet and other targets with A5's the entire group I shoot with uses A5's of some flavor. Sometimes we all agree for a set gauge and go.. other times when shooting for fun I us my light 20 A5 to save my shoulder. Most of us have doubles as well. I prefer 12 OU my buddy shoots 16 SBS. the other guys shoot 12 SBS and one joker brings a .410 OU I've got one.. but don't bring it out for targets.. :)


, since you can't shoot skeet with factory hunting loads.

Since YOU can't may be the operational word here. The public range we go to is unregulated on the shotgun side. Rifle side is only loosely regulated. No shotguns,
to tacking the target so the bull is on one of the 2 frame side boards ( ie.. don't shoot out the target frames ), and if you go full auto either bring your own target or wait till the end of the week right before they put up new targets.



If you don't shoot skeet, you could have just not mentioned it, and instead said that trap loads won't cycle your shotgun. That's not uncommon with older autoloader designs.

I said I 'SHOOT SKEET'. and cheap LB ammo doesn't cycle my belgium autoloader... I could of course break down the fore wood and BBL and readjust it to shoot light.. but I don't want a gun with that much disassembly and handling marks all over it.

In a couple years the forewood would be loose as a goose...

soundguy
 
   / Best all around gun? #408  
Chris....

When you get to be as old as I am, your 'forewood' will be loose anyway....:laughing:
 
   / Best all around gun? #409  
It's obvious that the number of guns is not related to gun violence. In the last 20 years, Americans have gone on a gun buying spree. The number of guns in private hands has gone from 223 million in 1995 to 300 million today, and the rate of violent crime in America has dropped to 1960 levels. That's law and order that hasn't been seen in 50 years.

Perhaps it has something to do with economy or legal abortion. I heard somewhere that unvanted children have high crime rate.
 
   / Best all around gun? #410  
I suspect it has more to do with the higher intellegence levels of modern day perps. They actually consider if, there is a gun in the home, car, jacket pocket or purse of the would be victim.....

An armed society is a polite society..............
 

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