Running hydraulic lines for grapple

[tpulley]

I got the grapple last week. I have a few more chores I need to get done before I can really test it out. I did play with it some the other day to make sure it works etc. I am interested in knowing (pics would be real nice) how you guys ran the hoses to allow for full range of motion. Mine are coming from the RR for now.

 

[LaVoie Equipment]

tpulley,

We run the hoses from the rear remote along the right side of the tractor zip tie to existing loader hoses and route up and along the loader frame to loader frame cross bar. We then hook into a Quick-Disconnect bulkhead mount with standard qd's mounted. From the grapple to the tractor normally 48" on CK tractors (KL130 Loader) and 54" on DK tractors (KL401) of hose to the quick disconnects. And you are done!

Couple notes: 1. When disconnecting grapple, relieve pressure by shutting off tractor and moving RR valve back and forth a couple times. This will make easier for you to disconnect and reconnect. 2. Always hook your Grapple Hoses together after use. This too will allow the oil to expand and contract inside hoses and not allow pressure to form at quick disconnects, which will make nearly impossible to hook up until pressure is released.

Tony

 

[Coyote machine]

tpulley,

We run the hoses from the rear remote along the right side of the tractor zip tie to existing loader hoses and route up and along the loader frame to loader frame cross bar. We then hook into a Quick-Disconnect bulkhead mount with standard qd's mounted. From the grapple to the tractor normally 48" on CK tractors (KL130 Loader) and 54" on DK tractors (KL401) of hose to the quick disconnects. And you are done!

Couple notes: 1. When disconnecting grapple, relieve pressure by shutting off tractor and moving RR valve back and forth a couple times. This will make easier for you to disconnect and reconnect. 2. Always hook your Grapple Hoses together after use. This too will allow the oil to expand and contract inside hoses and not allow pressure to form at quick disconnects, which will make nearly impossible to hook up until pressure is released.

Tony

What is average cost to run a DK with a second RR with no detent, out the door, all fittings etc?
Thanks,
CM

 

[nickel plate]

I got the grapple last week. I have a few more chores I need to get done before I can really test it out. I did play with it some the other day to make sure it works etc. I am interested in knowing (pics would be real nice) how you guys ran the hoses to allow for full range of motion. Mine are coming from the RR for now.

tpulley, I did the exact same thing as you are ready to do and since all of the FEL hydraulics on my tractor were on the right, I ran the grapple hydraulics on the left as it was totally free of hose clutter. If you want to read about it and see all the photos, open the "attachment" section of this forum, in the upper right of the page open "search this forum" and type in "FEL Grapple Bucket Installation". There are four posts to the complete installation dated 4/23, 24 and 25/2011. To date, I have had no repairs or alterations to the grapple's hydraulics. Yes, it is a blue tractor but other than the difference in color, the method of installation is all the same.
Good luck and you will absolutely enjoy that grapple's function and energy!

 

[tpulley]

Thanks Tony. What is the "Quick-Disconnect bulkhead mount" ? Is this something you sell? Do you have a picture of one? Is this kind of like the disconnects for the FEL in the lower right of the dk45se I see?

I also want to say thanks to about the notes you posted, I had been relieving the pressure but hadn't thought/known to hook the two lines together. I will though.

Nickel Plate I am impressed with both your grapple setup and detailing it so others can use this as a visual to put with the verbiage of installation.

 

[nickel plate]

What is the "Quick-Disconnect bulkhead mount" ?

Not meaning to jump La Voie, here is a photo on my tractor of what I think you are asking about.
A bulkhead mount is made up of two pieces:
The first being the bulkhead (wall). In my application the (3) are cut from 4"X4"X1/4" steel 90 degree angle plate.
The second being a hydraulic bulkhead fitting (compatible with your choice of QCs and hose diameters) that is placed in a bored hole in the angle iron bulkhead plate and screwed down with a provided hex nut.

The three bulkhead mounts that I have are at:

One at the FEL disconnect-straight through (not shown).
One at the FEL arm 90 degree turn.
One on the FEL crossbar 90 degree turn to the grapple.

 

[LaVoie Equipment]

Thanks Tony. What is the "Quick-Disconnect bulkhead mount" ? Is this something you sell? Do you have a picture of one? Is this kind of like the disconnects for the FEL in the lower right of the dk45se I see?

Quick Disconnect - I sell three different ones.

W R Long Bulkhead Mount -
- contains weld on plate, one male & one female QD, 2 bulkhead unions
- any hydraulic shop can get you all fittings, you maybe able to make cheper yourself. i sell as courtesy to go along with W R Long Valve
- Hard to get hooked up if pressure on attachment hoses!
-GOOD

TISCO 8500 Break-Away Kit -
-contains two male and female fittings and mount bracket, thread size 1/2 NPTE, easy one handed connect and disconnect when clamp mounted, **must release valve pressure
-BETTER

TISCO 9500 Break-Away Kit -
-contains two male and female fittings and mount bracket, thread size 1/2 NPTE, easy one handed connect and disconnect when clamp mounted
- PRESSURE RELEASE INCLUDED - No awkard hooking up because of pressure on either piece. Also Higher flow for Hydraulic Auger drive on front loader (like skid steer!)
-BEST

I am going to try to attach pictures. Email or call if you want more info. EVERYTHING IN STOCK!

Tony

 

[LaVoie Equipment]

Picture 1 - W R LONG
Picture 2 - TISCO 9500
Picture 3 - TISCO 8500

 

[ihuntbear]

i added a six way selector valve on the loader with quik connects.Plumbed into loader lines and added a button on the joy stick to engage the valve..Very easy and dont have to run all those lines from the back of machine

 

[Coyote machine]

i added a six way selector valve on the loader with quik connects.Plumbed into loader lines and added a button on the joy stick to engage the valve..Very easy and dont have to run all those lines from the back of machine

Any pics? Cost and Mfg. of valve?
Thanks,
CM

 

[tpulley]

I got a quote from the dealer to get a second set of RR added for about $510 + tax. At that rate its about as cheap to put a third function valve.

 

[LaVoie Equipment]

I got a quote from the dealer to get a second set of RR added for about $510 + tax. At that rate its about as cheap to put a third function valve.

Which tractor do you have and what are your goals for front hydraulics?

Tony

 

[IslandTractor]

I got a quote from the dealer to get a second set of RR added for about $510 + tax. At that rate its about as cheap to put a third function valve.

Not quite as cheap as you must add a couple hours installation for the diverter valve. Also, the diverter valve is good for only one thing while an extra set of RR can be used for many things.

I've got both. If I had to give up one it would be the diverter, no question.

 

[ihuntbear]

i like my diverter..Cost of the valve was 175.00,set of quik couplings 15.00,two hyd hoses 35.00,joystick button 3.00.Two hours to install.I can use my three angle front plow and blower in the winter .Grapple in the summer with chipper on the back with hyd shoot.and no long hoses haging from the back of the machine..but thats just my opinion.I cant find the install pics on my computer but I posted pics of the install last year

 

[tpulley]

I ordered the wr long 3rd junction valve for my tractor from Tony @ Lavoie (thanks Tony). I am also planning to move forward with the second rear remotes. I like the first one to be used for the hyd toplink and am planning for the future to use the second RR for a hydraullic motor for a project I am going to have to build by this time next year.

I also went ahead and ordered from him the TISCO 9500 Break-Away Kit. THis will give me the ability to use this for the motor or a tree shear I may build too. I really like the method of having a a way to easily switch the lines.

Thanks to all for helping me make an educated decision. :thumbsup:

 

[RJJR]

Sorry I'm just getting to this post but I had the dealer install the WR Long kit for my 45 and have really enjoyed having all the functions right there, beside me and together on one lever. They ran my lines along the existing lines on the same side. I'd say there's too much hose in the kit based on how my lines are run as it came loose and was practially dragging the ground after some grapple work recently. I had to re-zip tie them up tight against the other lines again. Not sure if they were tucked out of sight before but I've got more slack now and I know they didn't stretch. I can try and get some pictures of where everything is mounted if you still need them.
Good Luck,
RJJR

 

[case580c]

Thanks Tony. What is the "Quick-Disconnect bulkhead mount" ? Is this something you sell? Do you have a picture of one? Is this kind of like the disconnects for the FEL in the lower right of the dk45se I see?

Quick Disconnect - I sell three different ones.

W R Long Bulkhead Mount -
- contains weld on plate, one male & one female QD, 2 bulkhead unions
- any hydraulic shop can get you all fittings, you maybe able to make cheper yourself. i sell as courtesy to go along with W R Long Valve
- Hard to get hooked up if pressure on attachment hoses!
-GOOD

TISCO 8500 Break-Away Kit -
-contains two male and female fittings and mount bracket, thread size 1/2 NPTE, easy one handed connect and disconnect when clamp mounted, **must release valve pressure
-BETTER

TISCO 9500 Break-Away Kit -
-contains two male and female fittings and mount bracket, thread size 1/2 NPTE, easy one handed connect and disconnect when clamp mounted
- PRESSURE RELEASE INCLUDED - No awkard hooking up because of pressure on either piece. Also Higher flow for Hydraulic Auger drive on front loader (like skid steer!)
-BEST

I am going to try to attach pictures. Email or call if you want more info. EVERYTHING IN STOCK!

Tony

Anyone try the TISCO 9500 Kit ( I called LaVoie Eguipt they are no longer in tractor business