New Kubota Factory

[300UGUY]

I suspect it is only "necessary" to have dual incomes if you want to live high on the hog (as most people do today). Go back to how people lived on a single income 50 years ago: no air conditioning (CAR or home), hang the laundry out on the line to dry, "eating out" was a once a week as a special treat, a single car per family and I know my dad spent the weekend working on it so that it would be able to take him to work the next week, a single b/w TV in the house, no expensive electronic games and toys, no $100 sneakers or $80 bluejeans, etc. Even people "living in poverty" are living better today than a stable single wager earner family 50 years ago.

Actually I remember my dad working a full time job plus part time, plus going to night school to learn welding so as to get a better job.



I am sure that they WILL be making a competitive wage or else Kubota won't get people to apply for the job. "Competitive wage" will be met or people will go to other, better paying jobs. No other better paying jobs? Well, then it's a competitive wage. Actually I suspect Kubota will be paying slightly above the local competitive wages.

Ken

I see folks around here working 2 or 3 jobs, trying to make ends meet. Wages have been falling for years, and we have lost a lot of manufacturing jobs. Most of the jobs lost were in small, non union plants. A lot of these folks were never making more than $12 to 15 per hour. Even at that, they lost their jobs to asian and Mexican workers willing to work for much less. One of my neighbor's is a manager at a local plant. 10 years ago he was paying up to $17 for production workers. Now his top guys are maxing out at $11. He says that it is "M or M, - Minimum wage or Mexico". The corporation he works for has plants in Mexico. If the Americans get too pricey, the jobs go to Mexico.

BTW, it gets cold up here, no money, no heat, gets a little uncomfortable.

 

[Martian]

Since this had gotten way off track I'll post this:

My father is in the recruiting business. Recently they've seen a huge spike in business. They are expected to triple their 2011 projection. The biggest problem they are having is people don't want to work. Most of the jobs they have are $12/hour and people have decided they would rather sit at home and take unemployment than to get a job and advance themselves. They don't understand they have to start small and work their way up. People now a days expect that they are going to start off at a high level in a company. Now all of us who are trying to make an honest living are paying taxes for these goons that don't do anything and taking less out of our pocket. I'm ok with people needing unemployment while they search but a lot are taking advantage of the system. There are jobs to be had - people just don't want to work.

 

[TripleR]

Since this had gotten way off track I'll post this:

My father is in the recruiting business. Recently they've seen a huge spike in business. They are expected to triple their 2011 projection. The biggest problem they are having is people don't want to work. Most of the jobs they have are $12/hour and people have decided they would rather sit at home and take unemployment than to get a job and advance themselves. They don't understand they have to start small and work their way up. People now a days expect that they are going to start off at a high level in a company. Now all of us who are trying to make an honest living are paying taxes for these goons that don't do anything and taking less out of our pocket. I'm ok with people needing unemployment while they search but a lot are taking advantage of the system. There are jobs to be had - people just don't want to work.

Sadly this is a trend in many instances. When I was growing up, I hauled hay, chopped cotton, "big weeded beans", and just about anything I could to make spending money. I grew up on a farm, but some on my crew grew up in town, but were willing to put in a hard days work. My "boss" was a classmate who used his dad's truck and hired the crew.

When my father in law was alive, he hired high school kids from town to do some of the menial things on the farms that he couldn't do. I have tried to get kids to come to work on our farm to work doing stuff I can't do like picking up storm debris, dragging limbs etc. and no one is willing work. We tried two different groups of kids a couple of years ago and all they would do was sit in the shade once you left or play grab a** and do no work.

 

[bunchgrass]

I suspect it is only "necessary" to have dual incomes if you want to live high on the hog (as most people do today). Go back to how people lived on a single income 50 years ago: no air conditioning (CAR or home), hang the laundry out on the line to dry, "eating out" was a once a week as a special treat, a single car per family and I know my dad spent the weekend working on it so that it would be able to take him to work the next week, a single b/w TV in the house, no expensive electronic games and toys, no $100 sneakers or $80 bluejeans, etc. Even people "living in poverty" are living better today than a stable single wager earner family 50 years ago.

Find a car w/o AC these days or a B/W tv or shoes that cost under $50 and can last more than a week. We still only eat out once a month if that, hang our laundry when possible, only e-gadget is a cheap cell phone and a computer and don't have household AC - so why am I not "rolling in the bucks"?

Now cars cost what huge houses used to and cars used to cost what you'll pay for a set of pickup tires these days.

I do agree that there are plenty that pass on doing any physical labor. We, like many others, can't muster together a handful of HS kids to haul hay in. So now everyone is going to round bales or other means that doesn't require hiring/depending on others. Too bad cause kids used to be able to make a bit of money doing it. Some would rather go hold a "slow/stop" sign for a day or two and then take the summer off.

 

[ccsial]

This really boils down to having to compete in a global market.

If we have to compete with countries with a lower standard of living, then ours must become lower.

 

[canoetrpr]

I'm also more likely to purchase a tractor made wholly in Japan versus a 2 country build simply because the Japanese still retain the 'craftsmen' attitude that WAS prevelant here, 30 years ago and isn't today. The Japanese pride themselves on quality while we pride ourselves on productivity at the expense of quality.....

That is a sad situation........

That is a very astute, and correct (IMHO) observation. I was in Japan in October on business and work regularly with customers and colleagues there. The worth ethic is simply AMAZING. A product / quality failure is seen as a PERSONAL failure by the engineers.

 

[300UGUY]

That is a very astute, and correct (IMHO) observation. I was in Japan in October on business and work regularly with customers and colleagues there. The worth ethic is simply AMAZING. A product / quality failure is seen as a PERSONAL failure by the engineers.

The plant I retired from bought some Japanese machining centers a few years ago. They got a great deal on the machines, about 20 in total. Turns out, the Japanese prefecture, equivelent to our state government, was subsidizing the company, which was essentially bankrupt. They would rather keep folks working than pay unemployment.

 

[5030]

Sadly this is a trend in many instances. When I was growing up, I hauled hay, chopped cotton, "big weeded beans", and just about anything I could to make spending money. I grew up on a farm, but some on my crew grew up in town, but were willing to put in a hard days work. My "boss" was a classmate who used his dad's truck and hired the crew.

When my father in law was alive, he hired high school kids from town to do some of the menial things on the farms that he couldn't do. I have tried to get kids to come to work on our farm to work doing stuff I can't do like picking up storm debris, dragging limbs etc. and no one is willing work. We tried two different groups of kids a couple of years ago and all they would do was sit in the shade once you left or play grab a** and do no work.

Exactly why I do a one person hay business. You can't find any younger people willing to work. Kids today want to play video games and yak on a cell phone that mommy and daddy pay for.

Another reason I'm down on teachers getting big pay and health perks. What do kids learn in public school today (for the most part).....

 

[5030]

Boy this thread is a waste of time. The only informative part was the first, the rest is nothing but complaining and politics.

Took you 75 posts to come to that conclusion......

You must be a 12 buck an hour welder.......:laughing:

 

[Martian]

Exactly why I do a one person hay business. You can't find any younger people willing to work. Kids today want to play video games and yak on a cell phone that mommy and daddy pay for.

Another reason I'm down on teachers getting big pay and health perks. What do kids learn in public school today (for the most part).....

I could not possibly agree more with this statement.