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   / UTV Help #91  
Yes, but short steep hills, not prolonged pulling on 20%+ gradients. Those noted on the video are what we would call "flat ground." My original response was directed toward diesel v. gas Gator question. In that arena, the gasoline Gator 825 is a superior performer to the diesel. Somehow, we got off topic onto the RTV. I have nothing against the RTV; they are excellent work machines, but their power/weight ratio is similar to a compact tractor, not the other UTV's on the market. Again, if one has mainly tractoring type duties for an RTV and they do not have to negotiate steep LONG gradients with loads, the RTV makes an excellent choice. Where I live is one location where the RTV's main deficiency--its lack of engine power--becomes readily evident. This is not an issue to the Kubota, though. It really applies to all the major UTV players out with diesel powerplants. One cannot hope for something with half the horsepower and less peak torque to perform similarly. If Kubota, for example, would bump the power of the RTV to 35-40, fit it with true IRS with 7+" travel and add a true limited slip front differential, rather than a tractor-like front (open) I would take another look. Good machine; just not enough beans...

John M
 
   / UTV Help #92  
I think some good points have been made. Scott, I personally think it sounds like your tasks and terrain would favor a machine like the RTV. I would not attempt to talk someone out of something he has researched for his needs and feels strongly about. I have often bought things for my usage that would not suit others. My chief concern is that each of the major makers of these UTV's has an issue with power in their diesel models. For a work oriented UTV, the Kubota is a great choice. It just does not have the same level of performance as a Gator gas, Ranger, etc., either loaded or unloaded. That may not be important to you or others who have bought them; the longevity and other features the RTV does offer may be more important--and that has merit for many folks when making their decision.

John M
 
   / UTV Help #93  

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   / UTV Help #94  
Nice Prowler. Those are good machines, also. There are a lot of good machines out there. I think there is much validity in the "buy what you need" strategy. What works for me may not work for another. Though I am a John Deere tractor guy, I am not necessarily a John Deere guy all the time. I have owned other brands, and have had some good and some less-good experiences from that. When I purchased my Gator, I looked at what I was doing which was mostly work involving fairly heavy hauling and pulling a small utility trailer up and down long steep grades and occasionally on very challenging terrain. I do some off-roading and very limited hunting, and I plow snow. I put about 100-150 hours per year on a machine like this, as I also have tractors to use for heavy work. I needed something that had solid engine power and a heavy frame, but was not 100% work-oriented and had higher performance than my previous diesel Gator XUV. Fuel consumption was not a big issue to me and I wanted something that drove well and had true four wheel drive (i.e., locking rear and limited slip front). If I could find space for two UTV's I would have likely gone Kubota RTV 1100 for work and Polaris Razor 900 for play, but given that I could only have one I selected the Gator 825I. My reason was that it did the most the best with the fewest compromises. It is much heavier than my 800 Polaris and therefore does heavy tasks some better. It has a lot of engine power, a boxed hydroformed frame and heavy suspension with solid travel. It is well-made and has strong dealer support. I can use it for play, but yet I can pull a heavy trailer around and plow deep snow with no issue. Though it is gas, its automotive-style engine will last 2000-3000 hours with good service and this approaches the lower end of diesel service life and likely will outlast the machine ownership for me (the 830I will be out by then). I fitted mine with the Maxxis Bighorn RADIAL tires, snowplow with hydraulic lift and angle, poly top, full glass windshield with wiper, power steering kit from Unisteer, power dump bed, bedliner, front and rear brushguards, full light kit and Fox Racing shocks for about $18,000, roughly the cost of an RTV but for much higher performance. I did not get the cab as I like an open cabin. Is it perfect?? No, and there are areas of design and function where I feel my Ranger was better, but given the level of performance and the few compromises it has, the Gator is the current overall better package for me. It also showed me that over the past 1-2 years each manufacturer has made significant headway in the evolution of these machines, with most of the progress coming on the gasoline powered end. I would like to see one of the diesel UTV makers, whether it be John Deere, Kubota, Polaris, Bobcat, etc. step up and make a really high-performing UTV with a diesel. I, for one, would be really interested in that. Until then, for most of us who use these machines for a mix of activities and not 500 hours per year, gas appears to be the better power option, as the difference in fuel cost and consumption just does not seem to merit the theoretical benefit of diesel (and I would argue its current liabilities).

John M
 
   / UTV Help #95  
Pretty impressive video of those RTVs 4 wheelin through the mud. I personally would never bring my machine in that deep of water, the engine is mid mount below the level of the seat on RTVs. In one of the stuck scenes he seems pretty close to having water over the engine. The vid does show what the RTV can do though.
 
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#97  
Update from the weekend....

Drove the Rustler 120 (Diesel) and 125 (Gas) models. Both are solid machines and have a tilt steering wheel. The gas one seems sluggish but could be from the cold that morning. Pricing was higher then I would like, but for now the diesel is still on my list.

JD 825I - Did not drive this, only had time to sit in the seat and start it. It was very cold that morning and the engine started up very easily. It was a very quiet engine with low vibration. Leg room was adequate with no tilt wheel.

Drove the Ranger XP gas model and was very impressed. Ran smooth and it was one I could actually take on the trail. Very nice ride and the gas engine had a lot of pep. Dealer trying to find a diesel to compare it to. Probably the front runner right now. Waiting on pricing from 2 dealers.

Cub Cadet Volunteer - Could not drive it since the did not get their 2012 models yet (February). I did sit in an old model that was there for service. I asked the dealer to find a bench seat one to try. Pricing was very competitive and the nice thing is the 4 year 0% financing and the 2 year warranty. Still on the short list. Very impressed by the dealer.

Kioti Mechron - got two quotes on this, one offered me sub 10K for it if I don't take the financing from Kioti. Something about $1000 rebate. Probably the best deal of any of them but still have concerns on comfort.

Still need to see the new JD XUV 550 to see if it is big enough.

Does anyone know what a typical discount is off MSRP? I know I got 15% off both my JD tractors when I bought them.

Narrowing it down but still seem to get more questions with each test drive I take. I guess that is normal.

Thanks
Bob
 
   / UTV Help #98  
Appears you have a great start looking at and test driving UTV's. Besides gathering info here on TBN, this is without question the best way to shop and decide what is best for you. Thanks for the update. :thumbsup:
 
   / UTV Help #99  
Dont mean to seem biased but I wouldn't buy the kioti or the club cars/bobcat/new holland/case or whatever they brand them now. There is only a handful of the kiotis out there so if there is a problem the dealer wont know how to fix it kind of a deal. Also I owned a bobcat by club car unit and the support was horrible. Dealers had no training on how to work on unit, manual was very light on how to fix it and getting a real number for the company was tricky and they took a week to get back to me. As far as the Polaris goes Polaris parts are normally very reasonable, there is a ton of them out there and dealers are everywhere. There is a ton of gators out there, Deere by far has the best customer support system for parts and trained dealers out of any company that I have ever dealt with (say machine down when you order a part, pay a few extra bucks in shipping and see how fast they can get you a part). Kubota makes a quality product and there is enough of them out there where the dealers know how to work on them. Just my thought :2cents:
 
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   / UTV Help #100  
Dont mean to seem biased but I wouldn't buy the kioti or the club cars/bobcat/new holland/case or whatever they brand them now. There is only a handful of the kiotis out there so if there is a problem the dealer wont know how to fix it kind of a deal. Also I owned a bobcat by club car unit and the support was horrible. Dealers had no training on how to work on unit, manual was very light on how to fix it and getting a real number for the company was tricky and they took a week to get back to me. As far as the Polaris goes Polaris parts are normally very reasonable, there is a ton of them out there and dealers are everywhere. There is a ton of gators out there, Deere by far has the best customer support system for parts and trained dealers out of any company that I have ever dealt with (say machine down when you order a part, pay a few extra bucks in shipping and see how fast they can get you a part). Kubota makes a quality product and there is enough of them out there where the dealers know how to work on them. Just my thought :2cents:
my new holland
 

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