Buying Advice Buying New 4720 JD with cab any advise would be great.

[eagle107]

Yes, I wondered that same question before as well, so I asked on here. What I found is that there must have been an upgrade to the CX series as before the X had more capacity than the CX and people opted for the more lift over self leveling. After having self leveling it was really hard to go back to the non-SL when I got my 3120.

Below are the current loader specs from the latest online brochure. The specs almost look like the 400X loader is a better deal. However, some of the specs do not make sense to me. Such as the at the pivot pin's max height the 400X can lift 2368lbs while the 400CX can only lift 2194lbs, but then at 500mm ahead of the pivot pin, the 400X can only lift 1742lbs while the 400CX can lift 2339lbs.:confused3: Something sounds off as at the "pivot pin" should have more lift capacity than "ahead of the pivot pin" spec. Maybe a mistake was made on the brochure for the 400X and 400CX loader lift capacities.

 

[JDTank]

Below are the current loader specs from the latest online brochure. The specs almost look like the 400X loader is a better deal. However, some of the specs do not make sense to me. Such as the at the pivot pin's max height the 400X can lift 2368lbs while the 400CX can only lift 2194lbs, but then at 500mm ahead of the pivot pin, the 400X can only lift 1742lbs while the 400CX can lift 2339lbs.:confused3: Something sounds off as at the "pivot pin" should have more lift capacity than "ahead of the pivot pin" spec. Maybe a mistake was made on the brochure for the 400X and 400CX loader lift capacities.

You could be right there.

I have my doubts that the 400CX would be weaker then a 400X loader. Even IF it was, I would still want self leveling.

 

[Martian]

Ok, here's the same thing, just a little better quality. I was having a tough time reading it.

The lift capacity at pivot pin is a gross measure of loader lifting ability. The lift capacity 500 mm ahead of pivot point is often the better measure of working
lift capacity.

This was taken out of the brochure. So where the X seems to have a couple of hundred pounds more at max, it says for general measurement the best is the 500MM and the CX has nearly 600 more pounds. Not really sure what exactly the 500MM measurement is though. Seems like the CX either has it in everything or it is very close though...

 

[eagle107]

Ok, here's the same thing, just a little better quality. I was having a tough time reading it.



This was taken out of the brochure. So where the X seems to have a couple of hundred pounds more at max, it says for general measurement the best is the 500MM and the CX has nearly 600 more pounds. Not really sure what exactly the 500MM measurement is though. Seems like the CX either has it in everything or it is very close though...

That is why I think the specs are off on the brochure. The pivot pins should always have the greater lift capacity, which is the marketing fluff number. The real measurement is the 500mm, which is lifting from the bucket - 19.7" from the pivot pins. The breakout force on the 400CX is low though; even the New Holland 250TL loader had more breakout force at 3540lbs on paper.

 

[Rockgod]

Good choice, I always question when people don't get the CX. For a couple hundred more you get more lift and self leveling - no brainer for me!

The last time I checked the CX was $600 more. If it was only a couple hundred more I might have thought about it. For me the 400x has more than enough lift cap.

 

[wolc123]

Another advantage to the "X" comes into play when moving loose stone. The self-leveling "CX" bucket will result in more spillage. With a little practice, one can get the hang of keeping the bucket relatively level with the "X". Personally, I would apply the $600 somewhere else.

 

[jenkinsph]

Another advantage to the "X" comes into play when moving loose stone. The self-leveling "CX" bucket will result in more spillage. With a little practice, one can get the hang of keeping the bucket relatively level with the "X". Personally, I would apply the $600 somewhere else.

Can you be more specific about how the self leveling bucket will result in more spillage? From my experience there isn't any basis for this happening.

 

[charleyfarmall]

Can you be more specific about how the self leveling bucket will result in more spillage? From my experience there isn't any basis for this happening.

Steve is right.
Spillage is related to roll back angle. In fact, it's easier to manage spilling with a self leveling loader because as you raise and lower the bucket it stays in nearly the same position so you don't have to keep adjusting it.

The 400cx has an excellent lift capacity to shoulder height but it decreases at max height per the spec sheet. That may have something to do with mechanical advantage as the loader goes higher. The specs may be right.

From my perspective if you are quibbling over $600 for the SeL on a tractor that expensive you are looking at the wrong machine. The SeL is worth a lot in daily use. The only time I would not want it is if I was DIGGING with the loader, then the extra mechanism becomes a liability as something else that could break. Most of us are scooping up stuff not digging foundations though.

I'm pretty good with my tractors that do not self level but it is soooo much easier when I am using the Sel equipped machine.

 

[Martian]

Jenkinsph beat me too it... I'm kind of confused on how you see more spillage from self leveling, from my experience the self leveling makes you spill less as when you lift/lower you don't have to remember to curl. I can agree that it doesn't take long to get used to, but when doing delicate work nothing beats SL. Using the 5410 (has SL) I had the forks on and easily just lift pallets of shingles up to the roof and then a work platform up very safely. Then I had the 3120 and had to get some tarp down from the tarp of the barn down, and put a guy in the front, had to really ease it up being sure to roll the bucket, but not too much. Anyway you look at it having something fall from that height, especially a person, is not a good thing, and you reduce that risk a lot with SL. I can live without it, but if it's offered, I'm getting it no question.

 

[RockyCreek]

My new John Deere 4720 should be in by mid March ready break her in on some spring planting.