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   / Hydrofracing #11  
the fracking is the worst thing ever conceived. Its not just the huge trucks running you off the road and the dump trucks running all night. After they have drilled and contaminated the ground water and the streams they will condemn any property they wish to put pipe lines in. This mess might be accepted in the south west where the brush will grow over the damage in a few seasons but in the forests of Pennsylvania nothing short of an atomic bomb would cause less permanent damage. They do not contribute to the local economy because all the workers are brought in. The workers are a rough scurvy bunch of thieves that will roam about ignoring posted private roads looking to do mischievous deeds when not working. If ever I see one in a ditch I will continue driving and report it to no one.
I don't see how you can say that they don't contribute to the local economy. All those people may be brought in to do the work, but they have to spend a lot of money while they are there. Does that not contribute to the local economy? The reason the people are all brought in is because those people have the knowledge and experience with the equipment. They can't just drop off the pumps and hire 30 local people and tell them to have at it.
There is surface damage that happens with these operations. The land owners are usually paid very well for the troubles.
I don't really understand the contamination either. These wells are probably being fracked at a zone that is 10k-12k feet deep. Do you really think that if you pump something in the ground at that depth it will get into water zones that are 300 feet deep.
If it will migrate that far there is no reason it would not continue the rest of the way and cause a blow out on the surface. That is all considering the well was completed correctly following the proper procedures. If that is the problem then fracking is not the cause, poor application is.
I am not trying to start an arguement, just sharing my opinion.
 
   / Hydrofracing #12  
Where the contamination is occuring is from using the wrong cement when they are casing the gas wells.
The gas men/siesmic people that I have met have been fine to me.
 
   / Hydrofracing #13  
The workers are a rough scurvy bunch of thieves that will roam about ignoring posted private roads looking to do mischievous deeds when not working.

You sure paint with a wide brush.:laughing: Just how many of them have you actually seen or known of doing any of those things?

Incidentally, my grandson is a mechanic for Frac Tech and was sent from Texas to Pennsylvania about 10 days ago. I don't know how long he'll be there, but he and another of their employees from here are living in a motel, eating in restaurants, and spending a few dollars. Since they work long hours, I don't think they'll have time to get into any mischief even if they were so inclined.;)

As for gas pipelines, quite a few already exist in Pennsylvania. In fact, I spent just over 4 months in 1993 doing a gas leakage survey in Pennsylvania myself. And of all the places I did gas leakage surveys, I found the friendliest people in the Sayre, PA, region of anywhere we went.
 
   / Hydrofracing #14  
WOW.

That's a scary video ... that they've their best to try to make seem harmless Disneyland. Draw pretty, soft pictures using pastel colors; no sharp lines; use a soft, female voice. I'm sure some people believe it.

They want us to believe concrete readily pumps almost effortlessly thru narrow passages for hundreds & hundreds of feet - Have you ever been around a concrete pumping machine? They clog constantly, & very easily! When it clogs, guys hammer on the clog to clear it. How do they do that hundreds/ thousands of feet below the surface? What do they do if the clog can't be cleared & the "very important" concrete casing can't be completed? I bet they use it anyway & hope for the best ... like the Gulf oil spill, the Italian cruise ship, etc. What happens if a seismic event occurs & the casing is broken?

Oh, well, I won't live forever anyway.

I never knew about fracking before. Thanks for the video (I think :eek:).
 
   / Hydrofracing #15  
You sure paint with a wide brush.:laughing: Just how many of them have you actually seen or known of doing any of those things?

Incidentally, my grandson is a mechanic for Frac Tech and was sent from Texas to Pennsylvania about 10 days ago. I don't know how long he'll be there, but he and another of their employees from here are living in a motel, eating in restaurants, and spending a few dollars. Since they work long hours, I don't think they'll have time to get into any mischief even if they were so inclined.;)

As for gas pipelines, quite a few already exist in Pennsylvania. In fact, I spent just over 4 months in 1993 doing a gas leakage survey in Pennsylvania myself. And of all the places I did gas leakage surveys, I found the friendliest people in the Sayre, PA, region of anywhere we went.

Are these guys working 16-hour days? (112 hours a week) :D

You must've forgotten: Mischief is what boys do.
 
   / Hydrofracing #16  
What happens if a seismic event occurs & the casing is broken?

Look into it. Fracking is causing lots of earthquakes where they don't normally happen. Remember the dead birds in Missouri? They were right there where all the earthquakes have been happening. See also: Ohio, Oklahoma, Texas, and Manitoba.

The fracking SOBs have already been here. They sank a test well around a half a mile from me and fracked the sandstone under us. On the day of the repeated explosions we saw a long line of Halliburton tankers with their witch's brew. They won't tell us about what they pump into the ground under us, it's "proprietary." They were allowed to frack by the state on state land. Me and my neighbors refused to sign the leases they pushed us for more than a year to sign. We maintained our mineral rights, though they will extract from under us and it will be up to us to prove they did, and up to them to assess the value they extract from under us. I am sure it will take lawyers to get anything out of it, proving that it's better to sing up and lay back and enjoy what they do to you. They first lied and said they found no gas. Later the truth came out. With nothing but state or logging company lands surrounding us, the drillers will surely return and the pipelines will be everywhere.

Don't forget, when they come for the gas under you, just lay back and enjoy it. After all, they say it's perfectly safe. It's so safe, they got the congress to exempt them from the Clean Water Act! It's only your water at risk, and pipelines never break or leak, or cause explosions.

I live in a county without a stoplight. I like that. But nowhere is far enough away from the Halliburtons. They can buy the rights to anything they desire, or work around anyone who won't sell.
 
   / Hydrofracing #17  

I followed the link to that article and read the whole thing. I'm sorry if this offends you, but the BS flag is waving high. Do you think that he would be interested in selling his land for less than half of the mid 90's value? Oh, BTW, I would want the mineral rights as well. :D


the fracking is the worst thing ever conceived. . . The workers are a rough scurvy bunch of thieves that will roam about ignoring posted private roads looking to do mischievous deeds when not working. . .

Really? You get ahold of some bad dope? :laughing:
 
   / Hydrofracing #18  
Actually, fracking, by one means or another is actually nothing new. I know they were doing it to oil wells in the early 1950s, and probably before that. I think they called it "shooting" a well back then. And I never heard of anyone complaining. But now we have a much larger population, greater needs for energy sources, and a lot of rumors that may or may not have any basis in fact. Of course gas & oil companies are going to try to get leases as cheaply as possible. What business doesn't try to buy as low as possible and sell as high as possible.

And they're able to drill much deeper than they could 50 years ago. Is that good or bad? Could that cause earthquakes? Could it contaminate water? Are there safer chemicals available that those being used? I don't know, and I doubt that many of those who posted in this thread know either.

Or maybe we'd rather just buy our energy supplies from the mid-east and give them the money and jobs.
 
   / Hydrofracing #19  
Good point on the mischiveious deeds. The only place young blue collar workers ever committ crimes is withing 50 miles of an oil well site. LOL! There is no increase in crime due to oil drilling, but when you put 100's of people in an area that usually has few people you will notice an increase in crime, traffic, revenue, hotel rooms rented ect.

Is drilling a frac well perfect for the enviroment? Nope. Neither is your tractor when it drips a drop of oil or hydraulic fluid in your dirt. I defenitley think there is a balance we have to look for between development and never touching a piece of land "in case it gets tainted".

I live in Alaska where drilling is a major industry. The majority of people that don't support it either don't live here or moved here from outside.

In a perfect world we would not have to drill for oil, however unless we want the Saudi's to own us we have to have the ability to develop our own petroleum and revenue from that.

I completely understand your position down south when they are drilling on your personal land, no one wants to have their land scarred and destroyed, but last I checked they pay you for the land or lease it from you. Up here in Alaska they drill on state/federal lands. It frustrates Alaskans because we have more open country than 1/3 of the lower 48 states and the federal government puts more restrictive measures in place than they do on your states.

The "north sloope" which produces roughly 25% of the west coasts oil needs, is the size of Texas and only has wells in total in an area about size of 800 acres. The media makes one beleive that the "north slope" is being destroyed by oil rigs and development. Just isn't so.

This is a hot button topic for alot of peole for sure.

Up here we say "drill".
 
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You must've forgotten: Mischief is what boys do./QUOTE]
These "So Called Boys" are usually graduates of an acclaimed tecknology/trades group and well past puberity. The competion for the jobs will be very stiff so generally the type of worker is usually above average.

The cost of fracking and the equipment is costly. Companies do not hire the mischevious boys that have been refered to.

Shooting may also refer to the perforating guns used to make holes in the downhole casing.

Cement jobs are another item. The quanities are very closely calculated and measured. The consistency of the cement may be different than one sees used in a surface construction site cement job and the pump is different. It is also chased with a bumperplug. The effluent comming out of the anulus is also measured. When the cementing operation is over the wells are Logged during which process the quality of the cement job is also evaluated. [ It's a little more complicated than this actually ]

In the area I live in Royalties may be received from wells not on ones Royalty property.

After 50 years well bores may assume an oval shape due to tecktonic pressures and movements.:)

Just wish my memory was better.:(

http://www.shalegas.energy.gov/resources/HF1.pdf

A site on Hydro Carbon well drilling and completion:D
 
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