Backhoe help

[frelvis99]

I have just bought a used kioti ck30 backhoe loader. upon disconnecting my backhoe for the first time, i found the tractor struggling for power..i shut it down ..made a few phone calls and received information that i have to turn some valve to redirect the fluid from the remotes on the back to the 3point hitch. i found the valve behind the the right rear tire but it is hard to get to and does not have much of a handle to turn. no one seems to know how far im supposed to turn it . it turns a total of about 2 1/2 turns. is there something missing from my tractor? its just a small shaft that tapers to a key way looking end. also if this redirects fluid from my remotes does that mean i cannot use the remotes with the 3point hitch? help me please!

 

[Coyote machine]

Try not to run the tractor until you get a definitive answer. It would seem that disconnecting the hoe has left the circuit without a way to pass fluid properly and you don't want to damage your hydraulic pump. I'm not really familiar with Ck series, but I'm sure those who are will be here soon to give you the right method to get you new tractor going again so you don't cause any damage.:thumbsup: Welcome to TBN in the meantime.

 

[rambler]

I'm no expert with your tractor. Running it a short time - minute or 3 - won't hurt things, but you don't want to use it this way, as it is over-pressuring and creating heat & extra work for the hyd pump, over time that heat will damage something. With a short run, rest assured you didn't hurt anything.

This topic comes up on this site a lot. There are 2 things that could be going on:

1. To run the hydraulic backhoe, they are tapping into a hyd line that also runs something else (The hyd remotes? The 3pt hitch?) You get to use one or the other, but not both at the same time. The oil free-flows through your backhoe when it is not actually 'working' and all is fine. Now with the hoe removed, the oil can't flow through, so you need to change the plumbing around so the 'other thing' can get the oil and all will work fine.

2. Or, a backhoe tends to use a lot of oil flow, so they provide a special hose for the oil to return from the hoe quickly back to the tractor sump so it can flow freely and cool down quicker. Again when the hoe is removed, this special '3rd hose' needs to be dealt with so oil flows throught your hydraulics properly.

In either case, there is a special way the oil is set up to flow through the backhoe - without the backhoe the oil is blocked off, and you need to restore the oil flow to 'normal'. Some need 2 hoses connected together; others need a valve moved as you suggest.

I would think the valve would need to be all the way 'off' to use the backhoe, and would need to be all the way 'open' to use without the backhoe, but perhaps it is a etering valve and can also be left somewhere in between to speed up or slow down the 'other' thing that uses the same oil flow.

But - if you don't have a tractor/ hoe manual, wait until you hear from someone familar with your setup.

--->Paul

 

[VTFireftr]

I have a CK 30 with a backhoe.

When I take off the hoe, I have to slide the lever to the right of the operator's seat to the "N" position. This will let you run the 3 point hitch and should deactivate the rear remote.

If this dowsn't solve your problem, try and locate the original owner.

Good luck.

 

[rimshot]

I have a CK 30 with a backhoe.

When I take off the hoe, I have to slide the lever to the right of the operator's seat to the "N" position. This will let you run the 3 point hitch and should deactivate the rear remote.

If this dowsn't solve your problem, try and locate the original owner.

Good luck.

My CK20 has the same hydraulic control switch that switches from the backhoe to the 3 pt. Serious damage can result to the hydraullic system if backhoe is removed without switching to N from the A position. I believe the dealer referred to that situation as deadheading because your system is pushing with all of it,s might and the pump is running the pressure no where.

It's possible to bump the switch with your right leg and if you have taken the backhoe off and accidentally bumped the system to "A" you could cause damage to the hydraulic. To guard against that potential my dealer made me up a loop consisting of a short piece of high pressure hydraulic line and two mail hydraulic fittings to connect both rear remote lines in a loop. That provides a relief should that valve get bumped into active or the "A" position. This hose has been used when my backhoe is off and I believe it has saved the day for me as I have accidentally bumped that lever to the active position without the backhoe.

I'm not sure if this is the problem you have experienced but if it is let's hope no damage was done.

rimshot

 

[kiotiken]

You're dead ending the hydraulic flow. There's nothing on the actual connectors that needs to be turned, tighten those back up to avoid a leak. As others have said, move the remote valve back to N. Sitting on the seat, it's the tiny little lever on the right side of the seat, I believe it may be labeled A - N - B.

 

[Gittyup]

I think it can also be set up without the rear remote kit. If so, there is no A-N-B lever, and there is some kind of diverter valve that has to be moved. My FIL's CK20 is setup this way, and it is a little T-handle gizmo that's hard to turn. Call a dealer and ask them to be sure.

Definitely do not operate it until you find and remedy the cause. You could also probably put a hydraulic hose between the ports where the backhoe was removed so you can use the tractor until you know what is up.

 

[kiotiken]

I think it can also be set up without the rear remote kit. If so, there is no A-N-B lever, and there is some kind of diverter valve that has to be moved. My FIL's CK20 is setup this way, and it is a little T-handle gizmo that's hard to turn. Call a dealer and ask them to be sure.

Definitely do not operate it until you find and remedy the cause. You could also probably put a hydraulic hose between the ports where the backhoe was removed so you can use the tractor until you know what is up.

I have heard of a set up like that but I have no experience with it. Running a hose between the ports is a great idea, I used to do that on my old JD 955, it works just fine.

 

[Mousefield]

You're dead ending the hydraulic flow. There's nothing on the actual connectors that needs to be turned, tighten those back up to avoid a leak. As others have said, move the remote valve back to N. Sitting on the seat, it's the tiny little lever on the right side of the seat, I believe it may be labeled A - N - B.

kiotiken, you are right. When I take off or put on my backhoe you have to change the lever. I go from N to A or A to N depending if it is going on or off. Putting the boxblade on today so backhoe will come off. As others have mentioned you need to do this every time you take off or reattach the backhoe or you will probably burn out the hydraulic pump. I have also put colored tape on both hoses and connections so as not to mix them up, see pic

 

[frelvis99]

THANK YOU...PEOPLE FOR THE QUICK ADVICE!