Tiller HELP My new used tiller turns the wrong way

remington270 · Feb 21, 2012

Guys, as some others have said, it's not a rotational issue it's a blade issue, you wouldn't want the rotation to pull you back, you want it rolling the same way as the wheels or else you're going to have problems.

ArtMech · Feb 21, 2012

remington270 said:
Guys, as some others have said, it's not a rotational issue it's a blade issue, you wouldn't want the rotation to pull you back, you want it rolling the same way as the wheels or else you're going to have problems.

Correct. :thumbsup:

Egon · Feb 21, 2012

remington270 said:
Guys, as some others have said, it's not a rotational issue it's a blade issue, you wouldn't want the rotation to pull you back, you want it rolling the same way as the wheels or else you're going to have problems.

There are reverse rotation tillers.

:thumbsup:

jonyyuma · Feb 21, 2012

The blades look to be on their last round-up anyway...

beppington · Feb 21, 2012

Egon said:
There are reverse rotation tillers.:thumbsup:

Reverse Tine | Land Pride

I believe they state that more HP is required to operate them. It seems to me they would dig in better than Forward Tine, which of course may or may not be what the owner needs/ wants. A tractor with insufficient HP may still operate a Reverse Tine tiller, just not at the depth required ... but I'm just thinking logically, not from experience.

spruce Deere · Feb 21, 2012

Look'n at those RICE tines, its spins the right way. Them's is for rice patty wet muck stuff.

Could try and match regular tines for it, or sell it. Not sure what would be easier

zzvyb6 · Feb 21, 2012

The main frame looks like it is symmetric in the side view. Maybe you can flip the hitch, rear gate brackets and gearbox around and run it the other way. A new set of left and right blades will probably cost you around $300. I just did this for my Yanmar YTK tiller.

Workstead · Feb 21, 2012

WOW. Lots of replies. Thanks for all of the information.

When the tiller turns, the tines are rotating in the same direction as the rear wheels. When I get a chance I will try to turn some tines 180 degrees and put them back into their socket, if they will go. There is only one bolt holding each tine.

I might just flood a little of my back pasture and grow rice this year. ;-)

Villengineer · Feb 21, 2012

The tiller is turning in the correct direction. The tines are installed correctly, they are simply completely worn out. The grey market tillers use a "C" style tine, not a "L" style tine that more common on new tillers. When they are in good condition, they perform very well and are not limited to "rice" work. I see absolutely no need to convert it to "L" tines if you can find replacements. I've had a Yanmar tiller with the same style tines for many years and have been very satisfied. I suggest you drop down to the Yanmar forum and check out the various tiller threads. Based on the color and triple diamond on the side of the tiller, I would guess that it is an Iseki. I would remove a tine to get the proper mounting dimensions and use google or one of the grey dealers to find replacements. Hope you can find them.

orezok · Feb 21, 2012

If the bolt pattern on the "pumpkin" is symetrical, all you have to do is rotate it 180 degrees. No need to mess with the shafts.

I know that because my dad installed the pumpkin 180 out on his 39 Plymouth and he had 3 speeds in reverse and one forward!

ArtMech · Feb 23, 2012

Villengineer said:
The grey market tillers use a "C" style tine, not a "L" style tine that more common on new tillers. When they are in good condition, they perform very well and are not limited to "rice" work. I see absolutely no need to convert it to "L" tines if you can find replacements.

I am among those who converted "L" tines to "C" tines on my brand new GEO tiller, but not for rice work.

ArtMech · Feb 23, 2012

Workstead said:
When I get a chance I will try to turn some tines 180 degrees and put them back into their socket, if they will go.

Be careful, I'm afraid the "C" type tines couldn't be turned in 180 degrees at their sockets if the rotation of the shaft isn't reversed.

Kays Supply · Feb 23, 2012

That is an Iseki tiller. I have one. It will till better than you expect. It is turning the correct way. I have attached a page to buy new tines. Hit I and the 320.
There is alot of info on the grey market pages.

Clean Cutter Catalog - Alphabetical Order

http://www.cleancutter.com/cat_alpha_frame.htm

tpulley · Feb 23, 2012

Why not test it out by backing up and tilling the ground. This should indicate if reversing would help you.

Workstead · Feb 24, 2012

After digesting the good informaton that has been provided here I tried the tiller yesterday afternoon. I didn't do anything to it except adjust the top link so the tiller could be powered and not be jamed up against rear wheels.

The ground is a little wet but the tiller semed to do OK with two passes. The first pass basically made wide slits in the soil but the second pass loosened it up and a third pass left it pretty smooth, for wet dirt.

I also tried to back the tractor up with the tiller turning and when I lowered it the tiller sort of jamed up and the tines stopped turning. I might try to shorten the top link to see if the tiller will work better and allow the tines to turn as I back up.

That may not be necessary because the tiller appears to work well just as it is, even with the worn tines.

When the soil dries out I will give it a better test.

Thanks for your candid input, especially "Villengineer" and "Kays Supply" who actually have this model. For the small garden I will be tilling doing a third pass might just be the answer for a nicely turned garden plot.

Clem

Egon · Feb 24, 2012

The chances are your three point hitch is not conducive to backward operation of a counter clockwise rotating tiller.

beppington · Feb 24, 2012

Egon said:
The chances are your three point hitch is not conducive to backward operation of a counter clockwise rotating tiller.

I think what you're saying is that if his 3 point hitch can float up, which it probably can ... along with the rotation of the tines, which would be with the direction of travel when backing up ... would cause the tiller to kind of ride on top of the soil? (unless it had a very heavy weight added to it)

Egon · Feb 24, 2012

Think it may have a tenency to dig in and want to tilt reulting in more dig in.

Workstead · Feb 24, 2012

Egon said:
Think it may have a tenency to dig in and want to tilt reulting in more dig in.

That's what it appeared to be doing yesterday.

Don87 · Feb 24, 2012

Workstead said:
That's what it appeared to be doing yesterday.

You've been given a lot of misinformation from well meaning people. Only go forwards when operating your tiller in the ground. Your lucky you didn't break something, like the tractor PTO.

Your tiller is 'forward rotation'. I had a 'reverse rotation' tiller for 13 years. it did a fantastic job of tilling. Even if yours would have been 'reverse rotation' it would have worked fine with proper tines.

Find new tines to fit your tiller and have fun with it.