Tires pros and cons on tires

[seriousfreedom]

what are the advantages or disadvantages between Ag, industrial,and turf tires
and do you need wider wheels for the turf and industrial tires

 

[Reg]

what are the advantages or disadvantages between Ag, industrial,and turf tires
and do you need wider wheels for the turf and industrial tires

PLEASE read the MANY other threads on this subject.
It is FAR faster than waiting for all of us to regurgitate our experiences and in some cases religious beliefs on this subject.

OK, I can't resist; Just ONE post (-:
Yes, different rims.
...and SOME of us have more than one set per tractor
......SOME of us have more than one tractor with more than one set.

Trying to stop myself;
Chains ride ON TOP of turf tires better than Ags or R4s, i.e. have less tendency to fall into the spaces between tread lugs.


Y'All join in now ~

 

[moored4]

REG you just couldn't resist!

 

[MarkV]

Generally Ag tires (R1) will provide better traction in muddy conditions but are hard on finish turf areas. Industrial tires (R4) are wider with heavier ply ratings for loader work and puncture resistance. Just OK in mud and better on the lawn if you don't make sharp turns. Turfs are the best on a lawn but not so good in the mud. They generally require different size wheels.

MarkV

 

[seriousfreedom]

well exuse me for asking a question dont really have the time to search through the thousands of posts on here

not trying to be a hardnose or anything i hope you understand

 

[seriousfreedom]

Generally Ag tires (R1) will provide better traction in muddy conditions but are hard on finish turf areas. Industrial tires (R4) are wider with heavier ply ratings for loader work and puncture resistance. Just OK in mud and better on the lawn if you don't make sharp turns. Turfs are the best on a lawn but not so good in the mud. They generally require different size wheels.

MarkV

thank you mark and one more question that im sure is on here somewherebut when you fill the tires with fluid are you required to put tubes in them or can you fill them tubeless

 

[seriousfreedom]

PLEASE read the MANY other threads on this subject.
It is FAR faster than waiting for all of us to regurgitate our experiences and in some cases religious beliefs on this subject.

OK, I can't resist; Just ONE post (-:
Yes, different rims.
...and SOME of us have more than one set per tractor
......SOME of us have more than one tractor with more than one set.

Trying to stop myself;
Chains ride ON TOP of turf tires better than Ag's or Rs, i.e. have less tendency to fall into the spaces between tread lugs.


Y'All join in now ~

even a link or a search keyword would have been a sufficient answer

 

[TripleR]

well exuse me for asking a question dont really have the time to search through the thousands of posts on here

not trying to be a hardnose or anything i hope you understand

Please understand that while this may "seem" like a "simple" question, for most of us, there is no clear cut answer. Most of us could write a page or two on this with, "If you are doing --- a ### is better, but if you are doing *** then ^^^ is better" and still conclude with ### or ^^^ is going to be a compromise, so pick based on what you do the most unless *** is essential.

We own several tractors with different tread and I've run tractors for over 50 years and still go with a compromise in most cases.

Ag tires work best in soft dirt or mud. They are rougher on grass and will tear your ground up more.

Industrial tires work well on hard surfaces including dry dirt, have good puncture resistance, "generally" have stiffer sidewalls with less flex and do really well with heavy buckets of material. They will do "OK" in some mud, but tend to load up "tread clogged".

Turf work well on turf/grass and according to some in snow. They offer pretty good traction on hard surfaces and wear well. The sidewalls flex more. Grass/surface damage is minimal.

No one is being rude, just none of us is going to give you the same level of information you will find on some old, very long threads by a lot of knowledgeable people, some of which no longer participate.

Some very knowledgeable people will probably reply to this and may very well disagree with my assessments based on their experience, terrain, size of the tractor, type of soil... There really are no simple answers to this and for some of us, it would take an on site assessment and a LOT more information as to proposed uses.

 

[TripleR]

even a link or a search keyword would have been a sufficient answer

Reg can answer for himself, but it really isn't that easy as the search function, while great, will spit out pages of posts and unless you have the exact title, it is going to take one of us the same amount of time to wade through them as it will you.

For this reason, I have begun to "bookmark" certain threads.

 

[Ductape]

well exuse me for asking a question dont really have the time to search through the thousands of posts on here

not trying to be a hardnose or anything i hope you understand

No one is trying to give you a hard time, it's just that the 'what tire is best' debate has been beat to death over the years...... no different than 'is Ford better than Chevy or Dodge'. Absolutely no problem in asking, but you will probably benefit yourself by reading past discussions on this.

As has been stated... If your primary use is working in dirt / mud, go with R1s. Go easy if you are driving on your lawn though.

If you are primarily on grass.... turfs are your best choice, but stink in the mud.

R4s are usually a decent compromise, with longer wear.... but not neccesarily great at anything other than hard packed dirt.

As a rule thay usually require different rims, but sometimes turfs and R4s will use the same sized rims.

Good luck with your shopping.

 

[seriousfreedom]

Please understand that while this may "seem" like a "simple" question, for most of us, there is no clear cut answer. Most of us could write a page or two on this with, "If you are doing --- a ### is better, but if you are doing *** then ^^^ is better" and still conclude with ### or ^^^ is going to be a compromise, so pick based on what you do the most unless *** is essential.

We own several tractors with different tread and I've run tractors for over 50 years and still go with a compromise in most cases.

Ag tires work best in soft dirt or mud. They are rougher on grass and will tear your ground up more.

Industrial tires work well on hard surfaces including dry dirt, have good puncture resistance, "generally" have stiffer sidewalls with less flex and do really well with heavy buckets of material. They will do "OK" in some mud, but tend to load up "tread clogged".

Turf work well on turf/grass and according to some in snow. They offer pretty good traction on hard surfaces and wear well. The sidewalls flex more. Grass/surface damage is minimal.

No one is being rude, just none of us is going to give you the same level of information you will find on some old, very long threads by a lot of knowledgeable people, some of which no longer participate.

Some very knowledgeable people will probably reply to this and may very well disagree with my assessments based on their experience, terrain, size of the tractor, type of soil... There really are no simple answers to this and for some of us, it would take an on site assessment and a LOT more information as to proposed uses.

never really planned on putting turf tires on mainly cause my yard aint really big enough to handle it just want sure if staying with my ag tires would be preferential or going with the industurial would but finacially right now it wouldnt pay me to put the industrial tires on for having to buy new rims as well
thank you for your time

 

[Ductape]

Looks like TripleR ninja'd me...............

 

[seriousfreedom]

back to my other question is it required to tube a tire in order to fill it with fluid or can it been done tubeless

used to work in the tire industry but is been so long i really don't remember and what i do remember is they were all tubed

i hate a failing memory
or is that another personal preference

 

[TripleR]

One other thing, check your ply rating as some have swapped out OEM with aftermarket with higher ply ratings or a different tire. Not all Ag tires have the same design or tread depth etc.

 

[seriousfreedom]

One other thing, check your ply rating as some have swapped out OEM with aftermarket with higher ply ratings or a different tire. Not all Ag tires have the same design or tread depth etc.

good to know thanks

 

[TripleR]

Looks like TripleR ninja'd me...............

You know what they say about great minds.

back to my other question is it required to tube a tire in order to fill it with fluid or can it been done tubeless

used to work in the tire industry but is been so long i really don't remember and what i do remember is they were all tubed

i hate a failing memory
or is that another personal preference

We have tubes in some and not in others. So, tubes are not required in most cases, but some like them especially if using calcium. We use WWF, some RV fluid, some Rim Guard...

 

[k0ua]

I can add nothing to the tire debate, but as for the filling tires, without tubes. it depends.. If you fill with Calcium Cloride, I would recomend tubes. If using anything else, it is not needed. It has been stated that if you fill with Rimguard you should make sure the valve stems are metalic.

James K0UA

 

[PHILIP8N]

well exuse me for asking a question dont really have the time to search through the thousands of posts on here

not trying to be a hardnose or anything i hope you understand

But we do have time??? Really, try the search too. You will be amazed at the info there. Philip.

 

[jewing3227]

Seriousfreedom....I just recently had the rear R-4's on my L3200 filled with calcium chloride and had tubes put in the rear. Around $90 for the tubes and $1.25 per gallon for the liquid. It aadded pretty close to 700 lbs for less than $200. Not a bad price in my book