why one should ALWAYS carry your weapon

[Deere Dude]

From the linked article:
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Any one seen a follow up to this article?
I'm going to guess the County Attorney will drop the charges, but would like to read how this played out.[/LEFT]

Holy Crapola. If they nail this grandfather for that, that's ludicrous. That probably taught the perp a lesson he won't forget when he gets out.

I remember when I was in high school a few of us went to egg a school teachers house. We have done that before to this particular teacher. This time a couple warning shots rang out as we were running across the lawn. At least I am assuming they were warning shots. Guess what. I never egged a house again. I think there were 4 boys with filled britches driving home that night :laughing:

 

[jonyyuma]

My neighbor fired some warning shots , for a peeping tom. I about jumped off the couch, as he uses a 45 long colt...I ran to get my pistol and then went to the door to see if he needed help??

 

[duke7595]

I am very happy to read that most folks agree that the gentleman from N.H. got a raw deal.

Back East, especially New Jersey have some very harsh laws pertaining to GUNS in general. This State which I am very familiar with will charge anyone carrying a firearm with out the proper permits. The permit to carry a HANDGUN are only
given to retired full time Policeman . A few are given to others ,but very few.

Also note, that most N /E states with the exception of Vermont have very harsh laws regarding hand guns.
Also, for your edification a lot of LEO's resent the fact that civilians are allowed to carry hand guns period.

If I was the Investigating officer in N.H. (hypothetically) that man would not have been charged. That is correct it is the Investigating officer who makes that decision and signs the complaint, at least it this way in New Jersey .

There are very many different degrees of assault with a deadly weapon. for instance if a citizen points a gun at another, he can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon. As stated their are many degrees of assault concerning firearms and every State has their own separate LAWS .

In closing, for the benefit of the people reading this thread if you are unlucky enough to have a Leo that does not agree that you have a right to carry.
Well he or she will and can ruin your life and delight in doing so. Perhaps I shouldn't tell such things being a Retired Leo but remember there are a lot of leo's out there that do not have the citizens best interest at heart, enough said on that subject.

Use good common sense and never talk to any Leo without the benefit of council if you find yourself in serious trouble.

Sincerely, Duke

 

[JB4310]

I'm sure glad Texas law isn't that particular about protecting criminals.:laughing:

Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.




This is very strange, how it refers to "nighttime" in section 2A-B. so apparently the law changes depending on where the sun happens to be in earth's orbit?? Must get a little confusing around dusk and dawn.

I know they were trying to show that night can be more dangerous, but it would be a circus bringing out the sun tables in court to determine if the defense was justified or ...... what would happen if the property owner used this deadly degree of force and it was determined that in fact the sun was up according to the time tables, even if it was still dark out due to clouds????
Would the property owner then become criminally negligent??

Just seems very arbitrary, also the part about defending "land" How could land be under any serious threat. I guess it could be if someone was about to light your forest on fire.

JB

 

[Bird]

This is very strange, how it refers to "nighttime" in section 2A-B. so apparently the law changes depending on where the sun happens to be in earth's orbit?? Must get a little confusing around dusk and dawn.

I'd say when in doubt, don't shoot.:laughing: But the NWS can tell you what the official time is for sunrise and sunset, and "nighttime" is from 30 minutes after sunset to 30 minutes before sunrise unless they've changed something I don't know about.

 

[patrick_g]

Guns can be thought of as an insurance policy. You get all sorts of insurance for various risks like fire, wind/tornado, sickness, accident, etc.

Most folks hope to never have a situation develop where you need the policy but it is prudent to have it for just in case. Need does not respect your location or feelings. Would you want car insurance that didn't cover you when on your own property or in areas where you didn't feel at risk?

Ditto guns for self defense. Most who carry will never need to use the gun in earnest just as most of us won't experience a tornado but if/when the need arises there will likely be no suitable substitute available.

Carry in church? Christ didn't disarm Peter who went about armed with the sidearm of choice at the time, a sword. So there you have scriptural precedent for being armed irrespective of what some well meaning but uninformed folks may say. Read the news... robbers have entered churches and robbed folks at gunpoint. I know for a fact that a large Methodist church in San Diego has roving patrols in their parking lot due to so many auto break-ins.

Pat

 

[bearhawk]

The charges against the Grampa were dropped..

Charges against man who fired warning shot at man suspected of robbing his home dropped

It's a good thing because no way a jury of would have convicted him here in NH.. (I would believe)

This happened the next town over from me.. There have been a few burglaries around the area. I hope this makes them thing twice before breaking into another home around here..

 

[texasjohn]

Am glad the charges were dropped.

Unlikely a burglar would be keeping up with current events sufficiently to hear about this case, but if they did, it's unlikely that this would be sufficient inducement to prevent/delay their next burglary. I believe that the next burglary will occur whenever the perceived benefits outweigh the perceived risk.

 

[2manyrocks]

Next burglary will probably happen as soon as some drug head needs to steal something to sell for drugs.

Good that the charges were dropped against Grandpa. I hope the DA and the police got an earful from the local citizens.

 

[patrick_g]

If criminals were capable of making credible risk vs gain appraisals the jails would not be over crowded. They are criminals... this is what they do... criminal things.

See also Aesop fable re scorpion.

The main error on the part of grandpa was to shoot the ground. He could have waited for the criminal to exit the window and turn to face him AND THEN fearing for his life when the criminal headed toward him he fired a round toward the attacker. As the attacker continued toward the fearful old man he fired two more shots.

The downside is the ignorant public officials who would probably charge the ole boy with murder instead of praising him for his actions.

Pat

 

[RadarTech]

In our area we had a shooting in a waffle house and I have met and even shot with the young man at was involved..
It is emotional tough on the person to shoot and to have taken a life.. But it seems that is actually the sign of a good person.. Cause criminals have no feelings in many regards...

 

[texasjohn]

http://www.survival-spot.com/survival-blog/argentina-collapse.

Another TBN member suggested this link in another thread.

It is extremely well written and thoughtful. I recommend it to you as a realistic discourse on survival techniques and true experiences .

 

[The Haymaker]

Federal Judge Says Gun Owners Need Not Provide 'good Reason,' Rules Maryland Law Unconstitutional | Fox News

Seems like a good place to start the celebration.

 

[two_bit_score]

Federal Judge Says Gun Owners Need Not Provide 'good Reason,' Rules Maryland Law Unconstitutional | Fox News

Seems like a good place to start the celebration.

One would like to think this statement, quoted from the article you posted, would be common sense and common knowledge, ""A citizen may not be required to offer a 'good and substantial reason' why he should be permitted to exercise his rights," Legg wrote. "The right's existence is all the reason he needs."


Sadly it's not!


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[TripleR]

Another good reason:

seMissourian.com: Local News: Woman assaulted on Cape LaCroix Trail on Sunday (03/06/12)

seMissourian.com: Local News: Assault suspect shoots self in public view after Cape Girardeau police chase (03/07/12)

 

[Sigarms]

To bad the black teenager didn't have a gun, he could of used one.

Father of teen shot in Sanford to speak

http://news.yahoo.com/family-florida-boy-killed-neighborhood-watch-seeks-arrest-044537742.html

 

[texasjohn]

Bad deal, black boy walking with skittles vs white neighborhood watch captain with pistol in a car. Boy gets shot and watch captain not charged. On the surface doesn't seem right....surely more to the story...or maybe not.

OTOH, just last night 8PMish in my neighborhood there was a black 20 something fellow standing under a street light for 10 minutes or so after initially observed. I got in the car, drove by and asked him what he was doing.

He was polite, well spoken, attire neat and clean and not evasive in his answer that he was waiting for his ride to come by. Therefore, I accepted his answer and drove away. It is a residential subdivision and STANDING AROUND alone is unusual while people are often observed exercising or walking their dogs.

Net, there was no illegal or suspicious behavior or attitude, certainly nothing illegal, thus I saw no reason to take any further action. Had I felt the need, I would have called 911 and maintained observation from a distance until they arrived.

 

[rsewill]

Bad deal, black boy walking with skittles vs white neighborhood watch captain with pistol in a car. Boy gets shot and watch captain not charged. On the surface doesn't seem right....surely more to the story...or maybe not.

OTOH, just last night 8PMish in my neighborhood there was a black 20 something fellow standing under a street light for 10 minutes or so after initially observed. I got in the car, drove by and asked him what he was doing.

He was polite, well spoken, attire neat and clean and not evasive in his answer that he was waiting for his ride to come by. Therefore, I accepted his answer and drove away. It is a residential subdivision and STANDING AROUND alone is unusual while people are often observed exercising or walking their dogs.

Net, there was no illegal or suspicious behavior or attitude, certainly nothing illegal, thus I saw no reason to take any further action. Had I felt the need, I would have called 911 and maintained observation from a distance until they arrived.

And if he had been white you would have no doubt done the same. I know if you had asked me what I was doing I would have told you to kiss off.

 

[TripleR]

No good can come from any confrontation; usually best to disengage and walk away armed or not if at all possibly. No one ever died from hurt feelings or a bruised ego.

 

[dmccarty]

And if he had been white you would have no doubt done the same. I know if you had asked me what I was doing I would have told you to kiss off.

If you were in my neighborhood, standing around or sitting in a car, we would call 911. We have done it many times on people we do not recognize and doing odd things. Race has nothing to do with it.

Later,
Dan