Tires industrial tires vs agri

[SPYDERLK]

Did you ever check the load ratings on the FRONT R1s ?
They are typically NOT rated high enough for loader work.
Remember that whatever is in that bucket is cantilevered out 4 ft or more beyond the front axle, i.e. the front tires bear more than just the weight of the bucket and its contents, you can't go by the loader's lift capacity either.
It would be best to actually WEIGH the front end if you can, with a representative load.
To quote SPYDERLK in part:
"If you can do with the ground disturbance AGs are the way to go<snip>"

Where "ground disturbance" basically means they are likely to churn the ground up so badly that you will NEED them to get out of the ruts they cut.

Getting out of a pond with a blown out front tire is something I have no experience in, doubtless SOMEONE in this forum does and will be able to advise you on that when the time comes (-:

In that case you keep an eye on the tires at max rated inflation. If they squat too much take a hard look at the inflation info on the side wall. It will say something like: "MAX inflation 35 PSI when seating the beads" On my tires this is 20% above the rated pressure. Now, with the tire bead not seated, and therefore distorted, the tire integrity is relatively greatly threatened. If they think 20% over is safe then, imagine how safe it is when the tire is correctly seated. I have never needed to go above 30PSI on my 28 psi rated fronts, but I wouldnt hesitate to go to 35 or even 40 if I needed it. I once accidently filled one to 70 PSI with water. I would definitely NOT recommend, but it just goes to show what they will take.
larry

 

[jpm1]

I have industrials on 2 of our 3 tractors and honestly wouldn't have anything but. I do a lot of loader work all times of the year, and skid approx 100 cord of firewood a year. Never had a problem in mud or snow, ice . . .well thats another story. I do not run chains nor will do i plan to in the future.
My log deck is really greasy with mud and i have no problems moving logs with the loader. For me i feel i have the best of both worlds with industrials, loader work , skidding and then in season mowing 33 acres of lawn each week with my finish mower.
We have 2 Kioti Dk35SE HST's, one with Ag's one with Industrials, both with loaded rears and my industrials will actually out pull the Ag's, 4wd or 2 wd, this information is not opinion, it is fact and a way of life for me. . .John

 

[SPYDERLK]

I have industrials on 2 of our 3 tractors and honestly wouldn't have anything but. I do a lot of loader work all times of the year, and skid approx 100 cord of firewood a year. Never had a problem in mud or snow, ice . . .well thats another story. I do not run chains nor will do i plan to in the future.
My log deck is really greasy with mud and i have no problems moving logs with the loader. For me i feel i have the best of both worlds with industrials, loader work , skidding and then in season mowing 33 acres of lawn each week with my finish mower.
We have 2 Kioti Dk35SE HST's, one with Ag's one with Industrials, both with loaded rears and my industrials will actually out pull the Ag's, 4wd or 2 wd, this information is not opinion, it is fact and a way of life for me. . .John

So youve got sandy soil. :confused3:
larry

 

[D7E]

So youve got sandy soil. :confused3:
larry

or worn out R1's ..

 

[jpm1]

Nope, it's a little clay in the swamps, rocks and slippery woods dirt.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

I have industrials on 2 of our 3 tractors and honestly wouldn't have anything but. I do a lot of loader work all times of the year, and skid approx 100 cord of firewood a year. Never had a problem in mud or snow, ice . . .well thats another story. I do not run chains nor will do i plan to in the future.
My log deck is really greasy with mud and i have no problems moving logs with the loader. For me i feel i have the best of both worlds with industrials, loader work , skidding and then in season mowing 33 acres of lawn each week with my finish mower.
We have 2 Kioti Dk35SE HST's, one with Ag's one with Industrials, both with loaded rears and my industrials will actually out pull the Ag's, 4wd or 2 wd, this information is not opinion, it is fact and a way of life for me. . .John

If industrial tires would actually outpull an Ag tire then wouldn't every farm tractor that does any tillage work be running industrials? Since the only machines outside of compact tractors using industrial tires are construction (where they are on a lot of hard ground) it would seem to suggest that your results are indicating a severe problem with your Kioti with ag tires.

Industrial tires are designed for max traction and strength on hard surfaces. Their not designed for superior traction in mud. Ag tires are.

I would wonder though that if your Kioti isn't actually acting up then is it possible your ground isn't as bad as you believe it is and that your industrial tires hold more ballast would help make up the difference in traction?

One thing I do agree with is if your primary use is loader work then R4's are the better option but R1's do work fine for loader work and if your doing loader work in sloppy conditions the R1's will actually allow you to keep working. I have two loader tractors (a 53 horse and 30 horse) and both have R1's. The bigger tractor is better in mud but it had more ground clearance and weight. The lighter tractor in soft ground sinks fast because it has very skinny front tires. Its not my ideal machine for loader work in muck but it will make it in and back out.

 

[DKCDKC]

The discussion of ag versus industrial seems to be of the same order as the color of the tractor... Everybody has their own opinion.

Probably soil types and types of usage influence actual and perceived results. Around here - the mountains of Virginia - the farmers, big and small, use ag tires exclusively. Turf and industrial tires are found only on CUTs used primarily for landscaping and construction equipment. But I can only say that they seem to work better here. I don't know about the Deep South, New England or areas west of the Mississippi.

I agree that heavy FEL use makes industrial tires a lot more practical. But most agriculture uses involve only a little loader.

But there can be no ultimate best for all uses and all people.... Obviously.

 

[IronHog]

R2's/ Rice-n-Canes When you absolutely need traction at all costs in extreme conditions. They weight and cost too much for a CUT..... they will destroy your yard/nonindustrial tractor and ride like.....well a giant mud tire. But they'll pull till you hit the belly pan........

R1's- OK in wet conditions. All around tractor tire...... really an all-terrain. Good for the CUT owner that has a larger machine, works in some wet conditions, or does a good bit of ground engagement......

R4's- IMO what most CUT owners with 4X4 tractors under 40hp are going to like the best because they are doing a good bit of loader work, work in the yard, and dry condition work. Poor choice in wet or low traction conditions but will ride nice and protect yards making them THE choice for the vast majority of CUT owners....


my take after running many hours on all these type tires

 

[North West Farmer]

I have farmed in North West Oregon for 40 years and we have used nearly every type of four wheel drive, two wheel drive, crawler tractor and so on that I can think of and after the amount of rain we have experienced over the past six weeks our ground will not support very much activity of any kind, let alone just support the equipment, even on good sod.

Yesterday I walked over a grass hay field to check out gopher activity and each step I took was like walking on a sponge. The ground is so extremely saturated that even our four wheeler will get into trouble in these conditions after going over the same tracks a couple of times.

During these types of conditions we have learned to stay on rocked or paved surfaces and we stay out of trouble by carefully determining when the ground is firm enough to support operations needed in a given area.

Big balloon tires on a sprayer type rig may have some success traveling around with the very high flotation tires, but they are still subject to getting into trouble on slopes and the very soft spots.

I recommend determining when you should or should not go onto a section of ground. Learning to read the condition of your soil is what keeps you out of trouble. In the wrong conditions no matter what type of tires or what type of equipment you decide to use, you will find problems and/or very poor results in your attempt to operate there.

Take care and be safe out there.

Nick, North West Farmer

 

[DieselMonk]

I had a MF165 2WD with Ag and chains on the back (year around) and since 2004 I have an NH TC55DA and another addition the NH Boomer 1030 both 4WD with R4 tires. They go from lawn over to concrete, into fields and woods with hills in them. The R4's are not chained, but I do get almost anywere I want. R4's are spinning a bit in winter going uphill backwards with the snow blower attached, but that is about it. While the AG's do a real job on the lawn, the R4's can do that too, if it is soft or too heavy of maschine. It is not only the tire, also situation and tractor size matters. Choose what you need most and I am pretty happy so far going this route not needing chains. The loads got to be lighter in the woods, but it works fine.