Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly?

   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly? #141  
Looking on JDparts, :

LVA11027 Diverter valve (appears to be bare block) $1550
TCA1798 Solinoid coil (one) $ 200
LVA12458 Pressure valve (solinoid operated) (one) $ 135
LVA12457 High flow direction control valve (two) $ 850 each
LVA12456 Direction control valve (four) $ 300 each
TCA12088 seal kit (not sure if per valve?) $ 25

Prices are rounded.
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly?
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#142  
I do agree with you guys on the rebuild, but I'll copy and paste what a member on GTT posted about the shop rebuilding it:

56FordGuy said:
I'd be willing to bet they are. From a mechanic/ shop perspective, it usually isn't worth the time or risk to rebuild or repair most individual components. Rebuilding parts is not something often done, so you can expect the techs to be unfamiliar with it, so it's going to take some extra time. With shop rates near $100/ hour, it could very quickly be much less expensive to simply replace it. Not always, but sometimes. Out of an $850 dollar bill, how much is diagnostic, and R&R labor, or is that just part cost? It's also less risky to the shop to replace it. If you rebuild it and it fails, you're out the cost of parts (and usually labor) to repair it for the customer a second time. In addition, it gives the shop a shade of a black eye. "They rebuilt it, and the thing broke again!" On the other hand, if you install a new component or factory rebuild, if it fails a second time the part supplier will cover the cost of the replacement part, and often will cover at least part of the labor. In addition, it's easier to explain to the customer that "They sent us bad parts." Takes some of the heat off the servicing shop.

Not saying it's right or wrong, but often times that's the reality of it. For folks that are inclined to do their own repairs, repairing a part may be a good solution. For a shop, it's all to often not. I also wouldn't be surprised if there's a core charge on the valve assembly. If they were able to get a rebuilt valve to put in it, they will probably have to have the core to return. On the other hand, if the valve block/ manifold is aluminum like so many are today, it may have wound up into the shop's/ mechanic's scrap metal bucket.

Glad to hear they got it figured out though!

I thought it was a reasonable explanation as I was wondering the same thing.

What I just found out, though, is that it looks like it has already been rebuilt or at least tried to have been rebuilt. When I asked him about it he said there was some sort of paint or highlight to show exactly where the problem was and looked like it had been tried to be fixed before, so now it looks like the fellow from MT was just covering up the issue or trying to put a bandage on a bullet wound.

I am going to be getting the old valve back so I'll be able to get pictures then, none now though. He said the new valve should be in either tomorrow or wednesday and then I'll be back in business.

While I was up there got a oil change kit for the Gator so I got that project to look forward too as well!:thumbsup:
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly? #143  
Looking on JDparts, :

LVA11027 Diverter valve (appears to be bare block) $1550
TCA1798 Solinoid coil (one) $ 200
LVA12458 Pressure valve (solinoid operated) (one) $ 135
LVA12457 High flow direction control valve (two) $ 850 each
LVA12456 Direction control valve (four) $ 300 each
TCA12088 seal kit (not sure if per valve?) $ 25

Prices are rounded.

Ouch...!! Those are some really scary numbers! :eek: Throw in the labor - you'd be lookin' at a good downpayment on a new tractor!

AKfish
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly?
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#144  
I got some good news and then some bad news

Bad news first: A little of $1700. About crapped the pants. It wasn't just the 3 spool rear, but I didn't imagine it would be this much. FYI, they took the calcium out of the tires, ordered a missing control knob for the 3ph and fixed the turn signals as I will be traveling on the road quite often. I was really looking into a quick hitch and a welder, but that won't be happening for a long time now.

Good news: It should be here tomorrow.

Thanks for all the help, I'll be sure to update again tomorrow...
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly? #145  
Martian said:
I got some good news and then some bad news

Bad news first: A little of $1700. About crapped the pants. It wasn't just the 3 spool rear, but I didn't imagine it would be this much. FYI, they took the calcium out of the tires, ordered a missing control knob for the 3ph and fixed the turn signals as I will be traveling on the road quite often. I was really looking into a quick hitch and a welder, but that won't be happening for a long time now.

Good news: It should be here tomorrow.

Thanks for all the help, I'll be sure to update again tomorrow...

For that much they better at least throw in a quick hitch!
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly? #146  
Was it ONLY LVA12458, the valve the solinoid operates? When you say $1700, you mean that covered the other repairs too? Or was there more cost than $852 you posted earlier to fix diverter?

Taking the calcium out of the tires, did they have to dismount the tires and wash the wheels? That's the main reason I have not removed it from mine.
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly?
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#147  
For that much they better at least throw in a quick hitch!

They would love to . . . for another $350!:laughing:
Was it ONLY LVA12458, the valve the solinoid operates? When you say $1700, you mean that covered the other repairs too? Or was there more cost than $852 you posted earlier to fix diverter?

Taking the calcium out of the tires, did they have to dismount the tires and wash the wheels? That's the main reason I have not removed it from mine.

That covers everything. I only needed one of the valves at $850, and I guess the rest is the labor and the other things they were doing.

They should have, I did ask them too, but then again, I have no proof they actually did. If it wasn't such a big job getting the tire on/off, I'd check to make sure.
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly? #148  
Good to hear that it's finally coming home - for good! :thumbsup: Gotta be a fair amount of labor to replace the valve - quite a "nest" of hard lines in the bottom of the 110. Probably as much labor hours to drain the tires, though. :mad:

I'm curious about the diverter valve failure. Did the mechanic offer an explaination about the problem? Maybe you'll have an interesting "ash tray" for your office... :D

I'd guess that they had to break the bead on the tires and flush them to get all the calcium chloride out. Or, you'd have chunks and flakes of the stuff inside the tires and making noise as the wheels turned over. Be very hard to get it all out the valve stem - IMO.

Lookin' forward to your report, Martian - after a couple of hours in the seat!

AKfish
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly?
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#149  
Good to hear that it's finally coming home - for good! :thumbsup: Gotta be a fair amount of labor to replace the valve - quite a "nest" of hard lines in the bottom of the 110. Probably as much labor hours to drain the tires, though. :mad:

I'm curious about the diverter valve failure. Did the mechanic offer an explaination about the problem? Maybe you'll have an interesting "ash tray" for your office... :D

I'd guess that they had to break the bead on the tires and flush them to get all the calcium chloride out. Or, you'd have chunks and flakes of the stuff inside the tires and making noise as the wheels turned over. Be very hard to get it all out the valve stem - IMO.

Lookin' forward to your report, Martian - after a couple of hours in the seat!

AKfish

I think that labor is truly the killer here. I'll see tonight when I get the receipt.

The best explanation I got was only that it was in the diverter, and it looked like it had been tampered with before as there was some sort of paint or highlight where the problem was. I really have no idea what was wrong on it, whether it was a gouge out of it or what.

I'll be sure to give a thorough report later. I'm going to try and sneak home a little earlier than usual and get some seat time:thumbsup:
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly?
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#150  
It's finally back, and hopefully for good this time. Put about 4 hours on just toying around this afternoon. Figured it was time for a good greasing. WOW, a lot of grease zerks on it! Kept thinking I got them all only to see a couple more. All of them took grease very well, except one, which I pictured. When it was at the dealer the first time they did a full service and the mechanic did say all the zerks to grease well, so I think it may be something I'm not doing right. I'll attach the picture where it is at if that makes any difference.

Oh, and I did get what was broken, but forgot to bring it in the house. I'll get some pics tomorrow.
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly? #151  
I would say that grease zerk is a very important one. I would fix that right away.
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly? #152  
I would say that grease zerk is a very important one. I would fix that right away.

Yep... that's one of those PITA zerks! :mad: I've probably changed that one out 3-4 times, now. About once a year - at least.

It's right down there in the worst of the dirt, sand, mud, rocks. Get's a real "pressure" treatment from the most abrasive elements! The 2 on the outside of the quick connect shaft - just outboard - of the one in the picture are bad actors, too. Right, down dirty..

AKfish
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly?
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#153  
Yep... that's one of those PITA zerks! :mad: I've probably changed that one out 3-4 times, now. About once a year - at least.

It's right down there in the worst of the dirt, sand, mud, rocks. Get's a real "pressure" treatment from the most abrasive elements! The 2 on the outside of the quick connect shaft - just outboard - of the one in the picture are bad actors, too. Right, down dirty..

AKfish

Just did a little fumbling around this morning with it. Moved it around and what not and just didn't want grease. Are you thinking it's just a lack of greasing or actually needs a new zerk?

It seems like they could put these in some better places. I saw that zerk when I first got that tractor and thought it couldn't last too long.
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly? #154  
If the zerk's not trashed... you can usually get it to take grease by partially opening and closing the bucket.

If all your getting is a wad of grease spilling outside the grease gun tip - put a new one in there.

AKfish
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly? #155  
On my 448 I have two zerks that I have to put the hoe on the ground an take the weight off it to get grease in them. Might give that a try.

Matt
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly? #156  
IMO - the location of several of the zerks place them in the "damage zone"! Not only is it likely that they'll have dirt, mud forced into the ball - the fitting itself becomes worn and abraided around the ridge such that the grease seal is compromised. It's a sloppy fit in the grease gun - and the grease just pukes around the edge.

AKfish
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly? #157  
IMO - the location of several of the zerks place them in the "damage zone"! Not only is it likely that they'll have dirt, mud forced into the ball - the fitting itself becomes worn and abraided around the ridge such that the grease seal is compromised. It's a sloppy fit in the grease gun - and the grease just pukes around the edge.

AKfish


I agree, I have considered tacking a short piece of pipe over those fittings to act as a guard of sorts. Haven't done it yet, too many things on my list.
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly? #158  
I agree, I have considered tacking a short piece of pipe over those fittings to act as a guard of sorts. Haven't done it yet, too many things on my list.

Is there room to cap the short piece of pipe? Otherwise it might pack with dirt and make the grease job harder.
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly? #159  
Is there room to cap the short piece of pipe? Otherwise it might pack with dirt and make the grease job harder.

Couldn't be too tall.. or it might contact the the bucket linkage when you curl or dump. Yeah, it would pack dirt in there. But, once the zerk is covered, gravel, rocks, sand won't be draggin' on the face of the zerk, either.

Small screwdriver or knife would clean things out pretty easily before greasing.

AKfish
 
   / Deere 110 with BB1284 box blade, not working properly? #160  
So is it time to see some pictures of the new 110 in action?
 

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