3-Point Hitch Farm Pro 4040 3-Pint Hitch problem

   / Farm Pro 4040 3-Pint Hitch problem #1  

joe2kps

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I just bought a used Farm Pro 4040 tractor with a Koyker FEL. I am having issues with the 3 pt hitch not going up or down. I can push the arms down and feel the resistance from the Hydraulic fluid, but the tractor will not lift the arms.

There are two levers on the right side of the seat that operate the 3 pt hitch. One is for the actual lowering and raising of the lift arms and I believe the other is for position control.

The fluid looks good and according to the previous owner the hydraulic pump and the inner driver to the pump was replaced by a local CASE IH dealer.

Any help you guys can give me will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Joe
 
   / Farm Pro 4040 3-Pint Hitch problem #2  
I just bought a used Farm Pro 4040 tractor with a Koyker FEL. I am having issues with the 3 pt hitch not going up or down. I can push the arms down and feel the resistance from the Hydraulic fluid, but the tractor will not lift the arms.

There are two levers on the right side of the seat that operate the 3 pt hitch. One is for the actual lowering and raising of the lift arms and I believe the other is for position control.

The fluid looks good and according to the previous owner the hydraulic pump and the inner driver to the pump was replaced by a local CASE IH dealer.

Any help you guys can give me will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Joe

I have a 2430, and it may not be related at all to your tractor. Maybe someone will come along with direct knowledge.

About all I can say right now is on my 2430 Farmpro, the lever furthest from the operator is the draught control, and the one closest to the driver is position control. Mine had a bolt (looking) adjustment on the left hand side of the lift box that when screwed in, made the lift not work, but supplied fluid to the rear remote. I had to screw that bolt out fully.

Maybe someone will come along who knows more about your specific tractor.
Is if fairly newish? Do you know if it is a Jinma, or some other brand. My Farmpro 2430 is a Jinma 304 underneath.

Oh, one other thing, but I am not sure if it is related to just my tractor, or if it is related to most Jinma's or indeed most tractors...I have move my draft control lever up some for the position control lever to do anything. If the bolt is screwed in, making the remote work, the draft control lever has to be all the way up, and then that remote responds to the position control lever.
 
   / Farm Pro 4040 3-Pint Hitch problem
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Thanks so much for some direction to go in...I will give it a try when I get home from work...

I believe it may be a Foton 404 under the Farm Pro badging...It says foton on the rear and it's def. a 40 hp tractor so that's my best guess.

Once again, thanks for your help, I'll let you know if it works.
 
   / Farm Pro 4040 3-Pint Hitch problem #4  
There are two levers on the right side of the seat that operate the 3 pt hitch. One is for the actual lowering and raising of the lift arms and I believe the other is for position control.
Nope. Inside lever raises and lowers rear lift, outside lever is draft control. It must be in the full down position before the inner lever will raise/lower the rear lift arms

How many rear hydraulic remote pairs do you have. Most FT404s have 2 pair of QD fittings, plus a single one-way pipe (may or may not have a QD fitting). But I'm not sure about FarmPro Fotons. It's the one-way pipe on the left side of the hydraulic sump (lift box) that has an adjacent control valve that looks like a hex head bolt. When turned fully one direction, that hex head diverts fluid to the single outlet - typical use is for a dump trailer. Turn it fully the other direction to isolate the pipe and operate the rear lift.

//greg//
 
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There are two sets of remotes on the rear of this tractor...I'll take some pictures tonight and let everyone know if the advice worked. There is an L-shaped tube on the left side of the reservoir (sp?) and directly behind that tube is a hex head bolt, 17 mm I believe. I will try the hints tonight to see if I can get the 3 pt lift to work. Thanks again.
 
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okay so tonight I messed with the diverter valve (the hex head bolt behind the l shaped tube). I adjusted it all the way in, started the tractor, but the draft control all the way down and pull the lift lever all the way up...nothing. So I adjusted it what I thought was all the way out (the bolt never came to a solid stop) started the tractor and set the levers again, once again nothing. So this time I went around and adjusted the knob under the seat as if I was untightening a nut...once I got the knob turned almost all the way to the left the lift arms started coming up very slowly....I went around the back and pushed down on them, only with partial weight I was able to push the arms down, without much effort...so I figured that maybe I should have adjusted the diverter valve all the way in. I stopped the tractor and adjusted it all the way in. Now I am not able to push the 3 point arms down at all and the levers did not lower the lift arms (or release the pressure so gravity or myself could push them down). Any more suggestions? Could there be another diverter valve somewhere. Both times after adjusting the diverter valve I hit the remote levers the hydraulic hoses jumped making me think that maybe I need to adjust the diverter bolt out futher until I get that solid stop. What do you guys think? I will get the pictures posted tomorrow. I left my camera link cable at work.
Thanks
 
   / Farm Pro 4040 3-Pint Hitch problem #7  
okay so tonight I messed with the diverter valve (the hex head bolt behind the l shaped tube). I adjusted it all the way in, started the tractor, but the draft control all the way down and pull the lift lever all the way up...nothing. So I adjusted it what I thought was all the way out (the bolt never came to a solid stop) started the tractor and set the levers again, once again nothing. So this time I went around and adjusted the knob under the seat as if I was untightening a nut...once I got the knob turned almost all the way to the left the lift arms started coming up very slowly....I went around the back and pushed down on them, only with partial weight I was able to push the arms down, without much effort...so I figured that maybe I should have adjusted the diverter valve all the way in. I stopped the tractor and adjusted it all the way in. Now I am not able to push the 3 point arms down at all and the levers did not lower the lift arms (or release the pressure so gravity or myself could push them down). Any more suggestions? Could there be another diverter valve somewhere. Both times after adjusting the diverter valve I hit the remote levers the hydraulic hoses jumped making me think that maybe I need to adjust the diverter bolt out futher until I get that solid stop. What do you guys think? I will get the pictures posted tomorrow. I left my camera link cable at work.
Thanks

Mine is a Jinma, remember that always...but they do sound similar...

My bolt I can screw out does not have a stop really either, but there is a little increase in the bolt diameter that just touches a small plate that passes really close to the bolt. (It is not really a bolt exactly...but it has a hex head. I never see threads; obviously there are some in there somewhere deep.)

My advice...(as a rookie with a different tractor) screw the bolt out considerably...stop when it is like I said, or you encounter any real resistance to going further, or you are just afraid of screwing something up. Leave it that way while troubleshooting the lift.

Also, the valve on the front...screw it out all the way, and leave it out all the way while troubleshooting the lift.

I *think* that is sound advice to make sure those items are not interfering.

My lift does not work like Greg said, so it may not actually be working right. But I have the digger on, and can't really test it under load. At this point, do it like Greg said, and try it like I said too unless Greg objects (he knows more) in case yours is behaving or misbehaving a little like mine...you just really need to see if there is any logic and force to the lift.

Is there any other load on the same hydraulic pump that is working right? Mine has a loader on the same circuit, and neither the loader nor lift worked as best I could tell. I got the lift working right (possibly not exactly right) by screwing out the "bolt" adjustment all the way, and spraying the front knob adjustment with PB Blaster and working it, and finding that it screws out far further than I thought. Once the lift worked, I suspected and fixed my loader pressure relief valve, and the loader started working fine. Before anything worked, I suspected the pump. Your hoses "dancing" suggests that you pump is good enough for your lift to pass the "human resistance" stage.

My lift box has a plate on top (under the seat) that has many bolts which can be removed to expose all the internals without removing the lift box itself. I hope your pictures show whether yours is like that too. I was going to have to go there next if my lift didn't start working, but fortunately, it is close enough for now that I have not had to go into the lift box yet. I may need too eventually, but I won't know unless the logic of the levers is truly wrong (perhaps a misadjustment inside the lift box) or it won't lift and hold a real non-human load well.
 
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Mine is a Jinma, remember that always...but they do sound similar....
Similar, but not identical. The draft controls for example - and draft levers for that matter - operate on different principles. And not all Jinmas (I don't know about yours) were outfitted with that one-way hydraulic fitting on the side either. Probably not a good idea to assume that a Foton is going to work like a Jinma.

//greg//
 
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Any more suggestions? Could there be another diverter valve somewhere.
Yes, but it's impossible to tell from afar. Typically that knob under the seat front is limited to flow control. That is, it regulates three point return flow to the hydraulic sump. If you have a heavy implement, you use that knob to slow down the speed at which it drops. If you have no implement mounted, it needs to be wide open so that just the weight of the arms is enough to push fluid back into the sump. Closing it all the way will stop the return flow completely, and keep the arm up in the air regardless of what you do with the lever.

As I said, that's the typical configuration. But on some models it also performs a function similar to that hex head diverter on the side. Closing the flow control all the way not only stops return flow from the lift arms, but diverts flow to the one-way side fitting at the same time.

Too bad you don't have the owner manuals. Have you considered buying some? A set of four will run you about $85 delivered.

//greg//
 
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Thanks for the responses guys, keep them coming...I won't get a chance to try anything tonight because my daughter has a school thing I have to attend, but I'll be back after it on Wed. I am too hoping that I don't have to dive in to the fluid reservoir, but if necessary, we'll do what we have to do.

I don't have the manuals yet, but the guy that I bought the tractor off of supposedly does and will be sending them to me as soon as he gets a moment.

I've attached some pictures so you guys can take a look. Any suggestions, info. or direction you guys can give me will be greatly appreciated.
 

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