Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong

   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #81  
I just came across this thread. Had to look, if I had started it. Couldn't agree more. When I have time, I have to read the whole thing.

It all comes down to money I guess. Purpose built machines do a much better job then the swiss army knife kinds of machines. But they are more expensive and you have to buy a few!

Farm tractor loaders have always struck me as awkward and only evolved (it seems) from something that was never supposed to be on there. Visability stinks too!

Why can't one make a skid steer style REAR attachment system? It's true. The traditional 3PH system belongs in the scrap bucket.
 
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   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #82  
Each machine has its pros and cons. For us, the Power Trac PT425 had too many pros to ignore.

How does your Pt handle box blades and scraper blades? I would think the pushing action would beat the puss out of the linkages. How about pond scoops or carrying round bales of hay which get into the 1/2 ton+ range? How high does the loader lift compared to a tractor? Does it handle a boom pole?

I think there are quite a few limitations to that PT which even the cheapest of traditional tractors can do. I do agree, for a specific purpose that is a useful machine, especially for mowing and bush hogging, but it seems to lack the overall usefulness of a traditional tractor. It almost looks like slightly modified skid steer, which have their uses but certainly aren't tractor-useful by any means.

I do think a 'tractorized' version of your PT would be the best of both worlds. A guy I know has a ride-on trencher which is not far from your PT, but higher up, with off-road wheels and a back hoe. If that was made to hold swappable attachments (both front and rear), I think that would truly be a winning combination.
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #83  
How does your Pt handle box blades and scraper blades? I would think the pushing action would beat the puss out of the linkages. How about pond scoops or carrying round bales of hay which get into the 1/2 ton+ range? How high does the loader lift compared to a tractor? Does it handle a boom pole?

I think there are quite a few limitations to that PT which even the cheapest of traditional tractors can do. I do agree, for a specific purpose that is a useful machine, especially for mowing and bush hogging, but it seems to lack the overall usefulness of a traditional tractor. It almost looks like slightly modified skid steer, which have their uses but certainly aren't tractor-useful by any means.

I do think a 'tractorized' version of your PT would be the best of both worlds. A guy I know has a ride-on trencher which is not far from your PT, but higher up, with off-road wheels and a back hoe. If that was made to hold swappable attachments (both front and rear), I think that would truly be a winning combination.

Let's compare some tasks.

Plow a dirt field... tractor wins.
Plow snow... Power Trac wins.
Mow a field... tractor wins.
Mow a lawn... Power Trac wins.
Dig post holes... not even close. Power Trac wins.
FEL work... Power Trac wins.
Pallet fork work... Power Trac wins.
Brush hog a grassy field... tractor wins.
Brush hog a field with multiflora rose bushes as big as your pickup truck... Power Trac wins. (Remember, you can pick up the brush hog as high as the FEL can lift).
Brush hog fence rows, around trees, etc... Power Trac wins.
Pull stumps... tractor wins hands down.

That's just some tasks. As I mentioned, both machines have their place. Farmers may benefit more from a traditional tractor, but then again, most farmers have more than one tractor. One of each would be ideal.

Home and estate owners have different tasks than farmers. For instance, most home and estate owners rarely haul material off of their property. They bring it to their property. Things like mulch, landscape material, etc... The PT excels at FEL work, pallet fork work, mowing, snow clearing, etc...

They are also more stable on hills than a traditional tractor and they come with a steel canopy welded to the ROPS which saves your noggin in the woods. The frames are solid steel welded plate and there is no plastic. They are also made in America in Tazewell, VA.

Power Track makes several sizes of machines. Mine weighs about 1500 pounds and can lift about 800 pounds. The larger units, of course, weigh more and can lift more. If I had round bales to move, I'd have bought a larger Power Trac. I'm fairly certain that a Power Trac with a bale spike on the FEL arms could outwork a similarly sized conventional tractor with a bale spike on the FEL arms or 3pt hitch. In fact, if you go to the Power Trac forum here on TBN, you will find several members that have extensive experience with both traditional tractors and Power Tracs. They'll tell you exactly what tasks the PT shines at, and where a conventional tractor has the upper hand.

I don't have a box blade for my PT. I do scrape ball diamonds with my straight bladed bucket. I just put downpressure on the bucket until the front tires come off the ground and drive backwards. I then stop and scoop up my pile without having to turn around. That saves time. That also puts most of the weight of the tractor on the blade. You can't do that on a 3pt hitch rear blade. They don't have power down, only up. You have to rely on the weight of the implement, whereas the PT design you can push down on it bringing the entire weight of the tractor down on the implement.

I have a power angle snowplow on the FEL arms, too. Not only can I scrape down to the pavement, I can push snow and stack it 6' high. Can't do that with a rear blade on a similarly sized tractor.

They make a boom pole for the PT, too. I think they have about 40 different attachements.

I am in no way saying a tradtional tractor is lesser or better than a Power Trac. I just think you may not have the same tasks that I have to do. If you ever get a chance to operate one, jump on it and have a blast.

Check out their website at www.power-trac.com. :thumbsup:
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #84  
Awesome reply! Thank you!
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #85  
Bumping this thread for some summer reading... if you haven't read it, start from the beginning. Some great original TBN members with some good discussion. Enjoy your summer! :thumbsup:
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #86  
Bumping this thread for some summer reading... if you haven't read it, start from the beginning. Some great original TBN members with some good discussion. Enjoy your summer! :thumbsup:

Thanks Moss. This thread is a real blast.
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #87  
Yeah, I dig it up once in a while on cold winter nights... :laughing:
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #88  
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #89  
I don't think I've ever seen this thread before! Very interesting.

I've looked at PTs on several occasions over the years. I've always been intrigued by the concept and can see how it would be a better choice over a CUT for many people. I've just never been able to determine if it would be better for me.

While reading the opening points, New Holland bidirectional was screaming in my head - this is by far my favorite design and like many, I wish there was a smaller version of this machine. Even if there was I probably couldn't afford it! Ha!

If I were to go for a PT, it would be the PT-1460. I have no need for a backhoe and the PT-1460 looks to be the most similar in capability to a "large frame" 40-60hp CUTs that are on the market. I really like that it is only 60" wide, the visibility to the loader seems great, the float function for snow seems super useful. I'm a huge fan of articulating frames instead of a steering axle. I almost seriously considered one... But ended up crossing it off my list for several reasons - many of which are unknowns.

Why I didn't pursue a PT-1460...

- I'm a see, touch, use type person. The barrier to experiencing one of these machines was too significant for me to make the effort.
- Lift height. 8 foot is a little low when trying to put stuff up in my loft. My current tractor has 9 foot lift height and that is a little low but I can make it work
- Top speed - I road my tractor quite a bit and wish my 17 mph top speed was faster. I can't imagine roading with a 10mph top speed.
- Seat height. I store my boat in a hard to maneuver to lean to off the back of the barn. I move it back there with the tractor which is tall enough to see over the boat. Not sure I'd have the type of visibility with the PT-1460
- pushing / pulling out trees, stumps - Not sure about gearing and if the PT-1460 generates enough wheel torque for this. Seems like just one 0-10mph gear.
- And finally, no SSQA. I don't like the idea of a one off connection for attachments.

If Powertrac published more detailed (and satisfactory) specifications on the loader and drivetrain and offered SSQA I might have been interested enough to investigate more. The 10 mph top speed might still be a deal breaker as might be price for the initial unit and limited pricy attachments. And hay rides just wouldn't be the same.
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #90  
I wasn't going to buy one without touching one, either. It just so happened that as I was researching them, I was taking a walk to a soda fountain for lunch (yes, a real soda fountain), and there, at a local venue, was a landscaper with a Power Trac! They let me look it over real good and showed me what it could do. I was hooked.

It fits our needs perfectly. The big IH2500b tractor loader sat for many years until I sold it to an IH salvage yard. The little PT ran circles around it for the tasks we were doing.

I will say, though, that it was fun to drive that old IH up to a 10-12" tree, put my bucket 10' up on it, and just push the forward pedal and drive that tree right out of the ground! Can't do that with my little PT! :laughing:
 

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