Toothbar - How much and where can I buy them

   / Toothbar - How much and where can I buy them #41  
Heck, You kept telling me my gray was black even tho I posted pics.
For your and my sanity lets just stop.:thumbsup:

Aye, Aye, captain. I'm now posting pics in a new thread to clarify the issue of old vs. new, grey/ black.
And I was merely telling it how I saw it colorwise ~ and my call was wrong- the newer color is called charcoal grey, and I guess the old one was maybe just grey.
 
   / Toothbar - How much and where can I buy them #42  
Aye, Aye, captain. I'm now posting pics in a new thread to clarify the issue of old vs. new, grey/ black.
And I was merely telling it how I saw it colorwise ~ and my call was wrong- the newer color is called charcoal grey, and I guess the old one was maybe just grey.

And, don't forget that even before light grey was "BLACK"!

I'm glad we have this all sorted out now and that there will be no further loss of bandwidth to grey/black color disputes.:thumbsup:
 
   / Toothbar - How much and where can I buy them #43  
OK - so I must only have one then. Why do I have 2 hydraulic hookup ports by the PTO? I'll read my manual tonight.

Sounds like you only have ONE set of remotes.

In every "set" of remotes you have one supply port and one is return port. This photo shows two sets installed.

Yep. A supply AND return.

If you power a cylinder or attachment with hydraulic fliud, that fluid has to come back to the tractor somehow.:thumbsup:
 
   / Toothbar - How much and where can I buy them
  • Thread Starter
#44  
Sounds like you only have ONE set of remotes.



Yep. A supply AND return.

If you power a cylinder or attachment with hydraulic fliud, that fluid has to come back to the tractor somehow.:thumbsup:

Yes, you are correct, I only have one (supply and return). I misunderstood my dealer. Sorry for the confusion.
 
   / Toothbar - How much and where can I buy them #45  
Yes, you are correct, I only have one (supply and return). I misunderstood my dealer. Sorry for the confusion.

Still very useful. My recommendation would be to get a hydraulic top link. All you need is the cylinder, hoses, fittings and quick connects. There are reasonable deals in kit form from members of TBN (?MountainViewRanch) or you could just get your dealer to put it together for you. Figure something in the range of $400 when all put together.
 
   / Toothbar - How much and where can I buy them #46  
Well, a toothbar may not be everything to everyone but i find mine to be an indispensable part of my bucket. It stays on most of the year, basically only coming off for snow moving duties. While it does improve the digging capabilities on the ground i find the ability to dig into piles easily filling the bucket to be one it's best attributes (my soil is NOT sand). I can use the teeth as chain anchor points, scarify seed beds back dragging with teeth down, it protects my factory edge, etc..... Worked in conjunction with my box blade it's an unbeatable combo. Basically it makes most tasks with the bucket easier. It was $250 well spent IMO.
 
   / Toothbar - How much and where can I buy them #47  
Boomer, How much work your FEL can do depends on the tractor. I don't know how powerful yours is. My small Kioti LB1914 does not have a very powerful FEL, unfortunately. It can't dig except into loose material, and it can barely break loose a load of piled up pit run, without backing up while curling and lifting the bucket. Teeth won't help much - it's lift power that is lacking.

For this reason I bought a 2' bucket (about $250 as I recall - in addition to the 1') for my Kioti backhoe which runs off a PTO pump and is very powerful by comparison. That bucket has been a godsend. It can move a lot of material fast. I dig with it, break up any material to load, then turn around and load it. I easily raked up 6 or 8 loads of pit run for a road bed out of the dry creek bottom yesterday (lots of good-sized rock), and was able to fully load the FEL (with a few groans from the relief valves).

My only complaint is that because the tractor is small and boom reach short, I have to reposition fairly often, when using the hoe.

If I had a backhoe on a tractor of any size, I would get a bigger bucket every time: I don't want teeth on my loader, as I often have to back-drag the driveway, and they won't solve many problems for me anyway. I have used the big hoe bucket to scrape off top soil and layers of dead brush, prepping the road bed, and it does that very effectively: drag it into a heap and then use the loader to push it where I want.

I recently saw a project here to add a claw to the loader - probably would do most things a grapple would - nothing to change out to use it, and probably a lot cheaper. But my backhoe will pick up a lot of things the bucket won't, often by pinching (say) a big log between the teeth and the boom: then I can carry the object where I want.

So pick your attachments according to your needs and to the capabilities of the tractor.

Crank
 
   / Toothbar - How much and where can I buy them
  • Thread Starter
#48  
Boomer, How much work your FEL can do depends on the tractor. I don't know how powerful yours is. My small Kioti LB1914 does not have a very powerful FEL, unfortunately. It can't dig except into loose material, and it can barely break loose a load of piled up pit run, without backing up while curling and lifting the bucket. Teeth won't help much - it's lift power that is lacking.

For this reason I bought a 2' bucket (about $250 as I recall - in addition to the 1') for my Kioti backhoe which runs off a PTO pump and is very powerful by comparison. That bucket has been a godsend. It can move a lot of material fast. I dig with it, break up any material to load, then turn around and load it. I easily raked up 6 or 8 loads of pit run for a road bed out of the dry creek bottom yesterday (lots of good-sized rock), and was able to fully load the FEL (with a few groans from the relief valves).

My only complaint is that because the tractor is small and boom reach short, I have to reposition fairly often, when using the hoe.

If I had a backhoe on a tractor of any size, I would get a bigger bucket every time: I don't want teeth on my loader, as I often have to back-drag the driveway, and they won't solve many problems for me anyway. I have used the big hoe bucket to scrape off top soil and layers of dead brush, prepping the road bed, and it does that very effectively: drag it into a heap and then use the loader to push it where I want.

I recently saw a project here to add a claw to the loader - probably would do most things a grapple would - nothing to change out to use it, and probably a lot cheaper. But my backhoe will pick up a lot of things the bucket won't, often by pinching (say) a big log between the teeth and the boom: then I can carry the object where I want.

So pick your attachments according to your needs and to the capabilities of the tractor.

Crank

Hi Crank - 2 years ago I had a small pond dug with an excavator and instead of paying my contractor to haul it away, I had him relocated the dirt in some low areas and build several dirt mounds for later use. The purpose for my FEL is to relocate this dirt vs. tackling new virgin ground. I think a toothbar would only make it faster. So far I have been able to move 3 large dirt mounds with my Kioti DK40SE without any trouble. The lift power on this FEL has been more powerful than I expected. I am very please with its performance. I am just looking for that extra edge.
 
   / Toothbar - How much and where can I buy them #49  
Hi Crank - 2 years ago I had a small pond dug with an excavator and instead of paying my contractor to haul it away, I had him relocated the dirt in some low areas and build several dirt mounds for later use. The purpose for my FEL is to relocate this dirt vs. tackling new virgin ground. I think a toothbar would only make it faster. So far I have been able to move 3 large dirt mounds with my Kioti DK40SE without any trouble. The lift power on this FEL has been more powerful than I expected. I am very please with its performance. I am just looking for that extra edge.

Sounds like you are in great shape, Boomer. Smart to set aside that dirt. Yeah, we all want that "extra edge" (were you punning? :laughing:). Let us know how that toothbar works out for your applications. Good luck!

(Mainly, I was just offering some extra info that I thought might be helpful to someone.)

Crank
 
   / Toothbar - How much and where can I buy them #50  
I also find my toothbar indispensible. Digs very well in my red clay. Can clean, dig, or widen ditches easily. Works very well in rocky soil. Helps me dig and pop out stumps/trees and move the fallen trees easily as well. I can apply pressure to precise spots on root balls as I'm popping stumps out. I have hooks already, but the teeth would also help with chain points for lifting. Helps me get a full bucket out of a pile. I can rake while back dragging with it. It also protects my bucket from bending too. I couldn't dig much of anything before I got the toothbar put on. Now you can't stop me. I personally use the FEL this way for digging much more than I use the box blade.

I guess we all have different projects and uses and so far, I have really been glad to have mine. Someone else may find them completely useless.
 

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