50 hr oil change, water in pan.

[namesray]

something i don't understand yet is how could the water come out of the oil pan as clear water? wouldn't it be mixed in right after running it and be a milky color with the oil? when i did my hydro/trans fluid change in my kubota a year ago, there was some fluid that drained out that was milky. mine i am sure was from condensation. but it was milky, not water first (clear), then plain oil.

 

[Coyote machine]

something i don't understand yet is how could the water come out of the oil pan as clear water? wouldn't it be mixed in right after running it and be a milky color with the oil? when i did my hydro/trans fluid change in my kubota a year ago, there was some fluid that drained out that was milky. mine i am sure was from condensation. but it was milky, not water first (clear), then plain oil.

Water heavier than oil, thus oil floats. In this case water settles to the bottom of pan and comes out first. It might be different if the water/coolant was coming from a bad head gasket or cooling jacket, etc. Chances are, IMHO, that some rainwater got into the right side of the crankcase and is still there in whatever quantity. Might be advisable to remove the pan and see what exactly is in there.
That's what I'd want to do to make sure all the water is gone sooner than later.

 

[namesray]

Water heavier than oil, thus oil floats. In this case water settles to the bottom of pan and comes out first. It might be different if the water/coolant was coming from a bad head gasket or cooling jacket, etc. Chances are, IMHO, that some rainwater got into the right side of the crankcase and is still there in whatever quantity. Might be advisable to remove the pan and see what exactly is in there.
That's what I'd want to do to make sure all the water is gone sooner than later.

if it was mixed and milky, can it reseperate after time to being plain oil and plain clear water? thanks for your answer. ps, does IMHO stand for "in my honest opinion? i am not too good with computer language.

 

[Coyote machine]

if it was mixed and milky, can it reseperate after time to being plain oil and plain clear water? thanks for your answer. ps, does IMHO stand for "in my honest opinion? i am not too good with computer language.

IMHO:.. Humble..
If the oil were coming from the engine's head area it would have to mix with oil to get into the pan, because of a breach in the seals, (head gasket), etc. separating the cooling and oiling systems. Once mixed it will not separate into oil and water, clear of each other. In the unusual circumstance of outside water entering the oil pan by the fill port or the dipstick tube then it might sink to the bottom of the pan and not mix with the oil, thus remaining clear. This is conjecture as to how it got in the pan, but there are few other plausible explanations. However it got there it must be completely removed ASAP.

 

[namesray]

IMHO:.. Humble..
If the oil were coming from the engine's head area it would have to mix with oil to get into the pan, because of a breach in the seals, (head gasket), etc. separating the cooling and oiling systems. Once mixed it will not separate into oil and water, clear of each other. In the unusual circumstance of outside water entering the oil pan by the fill port or the dipstick tube then it might sink to the bottom of the pan and not mix with the oil, thus remaining clear. This is conjecture as to how it got in the pan, but there are few other plausible explanations. However it got there it must be completely removed ASAP.

very nice answer. you explained it well and i understand now. thank you. also thanks for bringing me up to date on the IMHO lingo.

 

[Coyote machine]

very nice answer. you explained it well and i understand now. thank you. also thanks for bringing me up to date on the IMHO lingo.

You're welcome!:thumbsup:
Good luck solving the problem. Don't let it get ahead of you...

 

[ozarkmtnhunter]

Ok thanks guys, Ill stay on top of it and see what happens.

 

[ozarkmtnhunter]

Well I checked it again and it is definately leaking somewhere. It also had a green tint to it which means coolant. I still dont understand how it is not mixing with the oil. Pull the dipstick and it is just clear oil. I am calling the dealer tomorrow and we will see where this goes.

 

[murphy1244]

Well I checked it again and it is definately leaking somewhere. It also had a green tint to it which means coolant. I still dont understand how it is not mixing with the oil. Pull the dipstick and it is just clear oil. I am calling the dealer tomorrow and we will see where this goes.

oil and water do not mix. and water will not stick to your dip stick. I think you need a head gasket. Any white smoke?

 

[ritcheyvs]

Well I checked it again and it is definately leaking somewhere. It also had a green tint to it which means coolant. I still dont understand how it is not mixing with the oil. Pull the dipstick and it is just clear oil. I am calling the dealer tomorrow and we will see where this goes.

You got that right! Coolant in the oil is bad news. The fix will be costly and ignoring it will be worse. Another possibility is a casting flaw, and that means a new block (probably replace engine).

One easy test you can do yourself is a radiator pressure test; testers can be borrowed from car parts places. Radiator should hold pressure overnight but other pressure leaks (other than engine internal) will show too.

I found this tester so useful (I had several old cars then) that I bought one.