Global Warming?

[Rob-D]

NOT so long as the technology needs booster shots of capitol from the treasury. Until then, what the normal citizen thinks matters, and is is NOT just about technology.

If it is truly about technology, then technologists need the stop talking and hire publicists, and stop poisoning the well of discourse.

Technology has always received "booster shots" from the government, we gained tremendous benefits from the space program, that, in case you missed it, was all about technology.

"Poisoning the well of discourse"? What, you want companies selling PV modules to stop promoting their products? Give me something to work with here!

Whenever money is involved people will lie, steal and cheat, that's not limited to technologists, that, unfortunately, is basic human nature.

Rob

 

[rsewill]

There are several underground compressed air storage facilities. One is in Alabama (if I remember it right) in operation for many years, one is under construction in Iowa and there several more scattered around the world. Iowa facility is built specifically for excess wind energy storage. They are not completely pollution free but can smooth out wind variations. The air is pumped in depleted natural gas formations, salt caverns and similar formations using off peak power. The compressed air is then used as combustion air in a gas turbine powering a peak generator.
The off peak wind power can also be used to pump water to elevated location and use it to power generators during peak. There are quite few of those around the USA. They provide night load to coal burning plants during low demand (in example during night time) and supply power during high demand. Water pumping energy storage is virtually pollution free. Another advantage is the capacity can be brought on line within minutes. Blue Mesa in southern CO is one of them.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/03/compressed-air-plants/

Glad to see storage has come on-line. Not hydrogen but better, especially water.

 

[rsewill]

Symbolic 400 CO2 level reached.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jun/01/record-greenhouse-gas-trouble-scientists

"The world's air has reached what scientists call a troubling new milestone for carbon dioxide, the main global warming pollutant.

Monitoring stations across the Arctic this spring are measuring more than 400 parts per million of the heat-trapping gas in the atmosphere. The number isn't quite a surprise, because it's been rising at an accelerating pace.

Years ago, it passed the 350ppm mark that many scientists say is the highest safe level for carbon dioxide. It now stands globally at 395.

So far, only the Arctic has reached that 400 level, but the rest of the world will follow soon.

"The fact that it's 400 is significant," said Jim Butler, the global monitoring director at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Earth System Research Lab. "It's just a reminder to everybody that we haven't fixed this, and we're still in trouble."

"The news today, that some stations have measured concentrations above 400ppm in the atmosphere, is further evidence that the world's political leaders – with a few honourable exceptions – are failing catastrophically to address the climate crisis," former vice president Al Gore, the highest-profile campaigner against global warming, said in an email. "History will not understand or forgive them."

Carbon dioxide is the chief greenhouse gas and stays in the atmosphere for 100 years. Some carbon dioxide is natural, mainly from decomposing dead plants and animals. Before the industrial age, levels were around 275 parts per million."

 

[Rob-D]

Symbolic 400 CO2 level reached.

Greenhouse gas levels pass symbolic 400ppm CO2 milestone | Environment | guardian.co.uk

"The world's air has reached what scientists call a troubling new milestone for carbon dioxide, the main global warming pollutant.

Monitoring stations across the Arctic this spring are measuring more than 400 parts per million of the heat-trapping gas in the atmosphere. The number isn't quite a surprise, because it's been rising at an accelerating pace.

Years ago, it passed the 350ppm mark that many scientists say is the highest safe level for carbon dioxide. It now stands globally at 395.

So far, only the Arctic has reached that 400 level, but the rest of the world will follow soon.

"The fact that it's 400 is significant," said Jim Butler, the global monitoring director at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Earth System Research Lab. "It's just a reminder to everybody that we haven't fixed this, and we're still in trouble."

"The news today, that some stations have measured concentrations above 400ppm in the atmosphere, is further evidence that the world's political leaders – with a few honourable exceptions – are failing catastrophically to address the climate crisis," former vice president Al Gore, the highest-profile campaigner against global warming, said in an email. "History will not understand or forgive them."

Carbon dioxide is the chief greenhouse gas and stays in the atmosphere for 100 years. Some carbon dioxide is natural, mainly from decomposing dead plants and animals. Before the industrial age, levels were around 275 parts per million."

Global Warming Forces an Alaska Town to Relocate | 80beats | Discover Magazine


Global Warming Forces an Alaska Town to Relocate

"The 340 residents of Newtok, Alaska will soon be among the first "climate refugees" in the United States. Global warming has battered the tiny coastal town: As average yearly temperatures rise, coastal ice shelves melt as does the permafrost on which the town sits. The Ninglick River has overtaken the town as the ground level simultaneously sinks [Backpacker blog]. As a result, the town's scattered buildings are connected by a network of boardwalks across the mud.

The townspeople's decision illustrates global warming's impact on people living near the Arctic. While the Yup'ik Eskimos of Newtok were making their decision, the first Indigenous Peoples Global Summit was taking place in Anchorage, Alaska, with representatives from 80 nations on hand to discuss how global warming is affecting their communities. Indigenous people are among those contributing least to the worsening problem of greenhouse gases and climate change, said Miguel d'Escoto Brockmann, president of the United Nations General Assembly. However, he said they are the first to feel the impacts of climate change [AP]."

Oh, I forgot, dismiss all this, CC is a hoax!

Rob

 

[Loren49]

Interstate highway = That was more than paid for with fuel tax. Where did the left over go??? On & On you name it, space, canal, or what ever.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-07/gas-tax-not-enough-to-fund-roads/53228510/1
The USA is at a critical juncture in how it pays for roads, bridges and transit. That's because the federal tax on gasoline, the primary method since 1956, has lost one-third of its buying power since it was last raised in 1993. States add their own tax on top of that, but the federal tax accounts for about 45%-50% of capital spending for transportation.

The federal gas tax 18.4 cents a gallon for gasoline, 24.4 cents for diesel is growing anemic because of more fuel-efficient vehicles, Americans driving fewer miles and the growth of electric and alternative-fuel vehicles. The tax rate on gasohol and most other special fuels is much less.

States looking to new tolls to pay for highway repairs | PennLive.com

With Congress unwilling to contemplate an increase in the federal gas tax, motorists are likely to be paying ever more tolls as the government searches for ways to repair and expand the nation's congested highways.



Where did you find that there is a surplus of highway and bridge repair and replacement funds?

Loren

 

[EE_Bota]

Technology has always received "booster shots" from the government, we gained tremendous benefits from the space program, that, in case you missed it, was all about technology.

Rob

Do you surmise I miss a great deal, Rob?

If we turned this thread into how stupid and ignorant I am, we'd at least halve the eye poking.

The space race was an extension of the cold war, and direct reaction to Sputnik 1. Technology was involved, and was a challenge, but to say is "was all about technology" misses the point in my view. It certainly misses the motivation, and motivation is certainly in question in the topic of Global Warming.

 

[SPYDERLK]

He was talking about a utility grid in Texas where the windmills provided 22% of the entire area's load.

:thumbsup:Thanks for keeping track.
...Ill sure give the ones who know it cant be done credit for knowing how it cant be done. After that Im getting stingy.
larry

 

[crash325]

Good, let's make an art out of overstating the obvious!

Rob

A lot better than lies, BS, and phony (discredited) links.

I know that you are saving the world all by yourself. Or at least claim to.
Your going to straighten out all us Dummies and get us on the right track.

OK Greenies, warmies and liberals, get your self's in lock step. Its time parrot all the same old BS one more time. Its our way or Not at all.

Not a word on your 3 Phase DC current. Maybe it don't work.

22% for to days is just great, I say great. Since there are only 365 days in a year, What a big boost that will be. Of course the power co will have to charge extra cause its getting "Free" energy.

Well its free but we had to pay all those folks getting money back, so you get to pay more.

Socialism or Communism at work.

 

[EE_Bota]

:thumbsup:Thanks for keeping track.
...Ill sure give the ones who know it cant be done credit for knowing how it cant be done. After that Im getting stingy.
larry

I have not said it can't be done. I'm not sure if that is what you are saying, but just in case.

I rarely know what you mean by anything, Larry, unless it is technical. I read your hydraulics and mechanical stuff and I find that quite clear. But, I already have a clue about what you MUST say there.

 

[SPYDERLK]

So you had 2 days of wind power and it supplied 22% of your load. I'm still very impressed.

He was talking about a utility grid in Texas where the windmills provided 22% of the entire area's load.

:thumbsup:Thanks for keeping track.
...Ill sure give the ones who know it cant be done credit for knowing how it cant be done. After that Im getting stingy.
larry

I have not said it can't be done. I'm not sure if that is what you are saying, but just in case.

I rarely know what you mean by anything, Larry, unless it is technical. I read your hydraulics and mechanical stuff and I find that quite clear. But, I already have a clue about what you MUST say there.

So, you must think I left out a rolleyes smirk after the thumbsup? FTR, I pay pretty close attention to what I post and probably wouldnt err there - or would note and fix it. I appreciate carrying info forward honestly.
... I also know that you have not said "it" cant be done. The 2nd is conversational rather than pointed in your direction.
larry