diesel prices

   / diesel prices #191  
This is an interesting thread. There's a lot of diversity of opinion and that's a good thing.

I've read through many, but far from all, of the comments so what I'm saying might have been stated before, but, I believe that the current administration wants fuel prices to be high. With high prices there's supposedly a greater incentive to develop alternative energy sources.

However, while we're waiting for some alternative to reduce oil consumption, freeing up more for vehicle, and tractor, use, we are stuck with high prices that will get higher. BTW, where I am, today's price for diesel at the pump is $4.159.

FWIW, bio-diesel is hard to find around here, and from what I understand, it's more expensive than petroleum diesel. I don't mind since I'm not sure that burning corn is it's best use.
 
   / diesel prices #192  
AK, perhaps you could enlighten us on what Social Security number are payments being made? The same question goes for what SSN are state & federal income taxes being paid? Illegals don't have one issued from the SS administration unless something has changed. Are they still using this "taxpayer ID" so as to collect taxes from illegals but the gov't isn't admitting to anything?

This is a "clipping" from the Capital Press - a weekly, AgriBusiness newspaper that I subscribe to. It is generally, a pro-Ag, pro-business newspaper and as such; very conservative, politically.

The following is from one of the columists - recently deceased; unfortunately - Bill Duncan. Please feel free to search the archives of the newspaper as well as the archives of the New York Times for further info.

I recently read a book by Presbyterian minister Ben Daniel, "Neighbor: Christian Encounters with 'Illegal' Immigration," in which he said he wanted to ease the fears of people who are afraid the American face in the future will look more like Mexico and Central America than that of northern Europe or New England.

"In the parable of the Good Samaritan, Jesus teaches his disciples that the neighbor is the Samaritan, an object of prejudice and scorn among Jesus' followers," he said. "I believe God calls us to think of undocumented migrants not with scorn, but with kindness, hospitality and even gratitude."

It is often claimed that the undocumented drain financial resources of states. Daniel disputes this, saying that undocumented immigrants contribute to our economy in several ways.

"Without undocumented labor, our food would be a lot more expensive because something like 70 percent of American agricultural workers are undocumented laborers, working at or below minimum wage," he said. "Americans pay less for food, per capita, than anyone else in the developed world. If those workers were deported, it would cause a food crisis in America, and the cost of eating would skyrocket."

He noted that many undocumented workers use false Social Security numbers to obtain jobs. Employers deduct payroll taxes from their paychecks, which means that the federal government garners income tax and Social Security withholdings from these workers. He said, according to the New York Times, undocumented workers paid something like $7 billion into the Social Security program that they will never collect.

I think since my day as a fieldworker, the short-handled hoe has been eliminated, but frankly not even a long-handled hoe fits well in my hand. The government should reconsider the Bracero program as a way of providing farm labor and, as Daniel said, provide a valuable resource that over the years has been the foundation for the development of the rich American agricultural industry.

Bill Duncan can be reached by writing to P.O. Box 812, Roseburg, OR 97470.

In addition, undocumented laborers pay into F.I.C.A. and do not normally seek out payment for Worker Compensation when injured or sick on the job - nor do they seek out Unemployment Benefits when layed off or fired. They would likely get arrested!

Nonetheless, they pay and pay and pay... that's the REAL world - however, not the same as Billy O'Rielly would like you to see it!

Oh yeah, $4.80 here in Alaska for diesel - home to 20% of America's daily oil production! 80,000 barrel/day refinery that's 50 miles from my doorstep - go figure! :mad:

AKfish
 
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   / diesel prices #193  
Actually that's a bit one-sided. There's also a large problem with identity theft with using false SSN's. Just wait until the real owner of that SSN tries to collect on SS at retirement. The SS administration locks up the payment until the real owner can prove it's theirs. I know you need your workers, but hiring illegals causes real damage, no matter how you wish to wrap it up and justify it.
The right avenue is to write your senators and congressmen to issue more work visas for these people.

I don't think it's too much to ask that the country's laws are obeyed.
 
   / diesel prices #194  
Actually that's a bit one-sided. There's also a large problem with identity theft with using false SSN's. Just wait until the real owner of that SSN tries to collect on SS at retirement. The SS administration locks up the payment until the real owner can prove it's theirs. I know you need your workers, but hiring illegals causes real damage, no matter how you wish to wrap it up and justify it.
The right avenue is to write your senators and congressmen to issue more work visas for these people.

I don't think it's too much to ask that the country's laws are obeyed.

The point being; illegal aliens or alien workers are VITAL to the nation's production of food!

In Oregon alone - if 50% of foreign workers were denied the opportunity to work - it would result in $18 Billion dollars in lost economic activity!

The 2nd critical point being; illegal aliens pay and have paid an incredible sum into the nation's federal and state treasuries!

I see them every year in Alaska. They process the crab and salmon and halibut and clams and scallops that all American's look forward to seeing on their plates at Red Lobster and Skipper's and Long John Silver's and etc. etc.

We need laws that benefit laborers, businesses and the American public - cooperatively. Not foolish demagogary and flaming rhetoric.

AKfish
 
   / diesel prices #195  
The point being; illegal aliens or alien workers are VITAL to the nation's production of food!

Not foolish demagogary and flaming rhetoric.

AKfish

None of which I used.
You point out all the pluses but no down sides, and there are many, from overcrowding schools, to using medical care and skipping out on the bill. The ones that do pay taxes, only do so because they have to, to work in the system. They have no patriotic duty as "Americans" to keep the country running. If you want to really be fair, the businesses you claim to not have Americans wanting to do those jobs, the fact is it's well documented that those same business are USING illegal laborers to avoid paying the higher rates Americans will work for, therefore increasing the bottom line for the business. Hey, I don't like unions any more than businesses do, and they are certainly responsible for jacking up labor rates.

We can just agree to disagree here and press on with the diesel discussion.
 
   / diesel prices #196  
AKfish said:
Oh yeah, $4.80 here in Alaska for diesel - home to 20% of America's daily oil production! 80,000 barrel/day refinery that's 50 miles from my doorstep - go figure! :mad:

AKfish

Maybe the oil companies are screwing you over because of the socialist policies of Half-Governor Palin when she increased the payout from the Permanent Fund (funded primarily from the oil companies) to $3269/person for 2008, her last full year as Half-Governor. Dang socialist Republicans are running the show in Alaska and you are paying for it at the pump.
 
   / diesel prices #197  
I called today and got a price for off road diesel. It's 3.29 a gallon they are bring out 100 gallons tomorrow
 
   / diesel prices #198  
I have an old acquaintance who has been making bio-diesel from vegi-oil for his own operations wich use an average 500 gallons of fuel a day.

Out of the blue he visited me yesterday. After some small catch-up talk he said its been 3 years to build up to what we have wanted to on the bio-diesel production side........We now offer top quality bio-diesel for sale to the public.

They sell it for the going off-road fuel price, and it is not died.
 
   / diesel prices #199  
I have an old acquaintance who has been making bio-diesel from vegi-oil for his own operations wich use an average 500 gallons of fuel a day.

Out of the blue he visited me yesterday. After some small catch-up talk he said its been 3 years to build up to what we have wanted to on the bio-diesel production side........We now offer top quality bio-diesel for sale to the public.

They sell it for the going off-road fuel price, and it is not died.

Not to be a cynic, but if it's the same price as diesel, what's the
Advantage? (besides environment)
 
   / diesel prices #200  
Not to be a cynic, but if it's the same price as diesel, what's the
Advantage? (besides environment)

Well, one advantage would be NOT having to pay the average .50 cent tax more a gallon for an 'on-road' use fuel.

Get caught with the cheaper died diesel in your pick-up, grain truck, log truck, Volkswagen or what ever it will become not cheap very fast.

The other advantage would be the ease of just one diesel fuel for off-road use and on road use.

There is expenses of making bio-fuel. And if the most one would pay for good quality regular vegi-diesel is at most the price of conventional dino 'off-road' fuel, I'm thinking there gunna be some folks interested.
 

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