Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles

   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #11  
It is great for us folks living in the country to say all these regs are a pain in the neck, but try living in a place like Houston when the humidity is 89% and every bit of particular matter chokes you to death on top of the humidity. I'm all for tighter regs because I know what is was like before vs. now, and I sure as heck do not want to go back to that. Up here in Maine it probably doesn't make a bit of difference, but that is certainly not the case in many areas of the country. Ever been to Denver, L.A. or Boston during the seventies? If you had you would know why there are regulations.

In the past I've read studies saying that the internal combustion motor is responsible for roughly one quarter of the pollution you see in big cities. The remainder from manufacturing and energy production. And cars are the easiest thing to go after, but after you wring all the water out of that rag, where do you go and at what price? I can only imagine how the doubling of electrical rates would affect lower/fixed-income families.
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #12  
Good points!! If all those tree huggers used manual labor rather then running their diesel equipment and cars, then the rest of us could go about our business...sort of like the "Cap and Trade policy, eh?


I don't see Bro Obama giving up his rides either...especially those non-essential vacations flying Air Force 1 all over the world...
Forums - Air Force One... Read This And Weep
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #14  
Good points!! If all those tree huggers used manual labor rather then running their diesel equipment and cars, then the rest of us could go about our business...sort of like the "Cap and Trade policy, eh?


I don't see Bro Obama giving up his rides either...especially those non-essential vacations flying Air Force 1 all over the world...

Amen Brother
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #15  
Oh, yes, those bad tree huggers are trying turn you and your kin into bipedal locamatrons, or worse - bus riding socialists!
But on the up side, I hear you can get a great price on a house in the Love Canal area, near Niagra ...
Yes, business interests are looking out for my interests, not some environmental loons.
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #16  

That is a good article. It's a little out of date and I would bet things have gotten worse since then.

old Dumb Joe B. said he had flown over 600,000 miles since becoming VP.

Today's news - EPA wants 1,600 acres of a mans land for a Frog Habitat. For a frog that does not live there and is not suitable as a habitat for the Frog.

If you value this country as it is right now you need to vote Obama out in the next election. This country is slowly changing and your rights are being taken away without you even knowing it and it will be too late if you don't do something about it now.
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #17  
if thats your mentality, why are you operating those tractors of yours now. sell them and do your work by hand. as it stands right now your contributing to the pollutants and killing your family. Me? ill keep doing it old school till someone confiscates my pollutants at gun point

I operate my tractors and all other power equipment (chain saws, water pump, grass trimmer, outboard motor etc) equipment without hesitation. Some of it is better than others as far as emissions go because they are newer. The point is not using these things (well not to me in this context anyway), it's about the regulations these machines are manufactured under. I have a Stihl 361 that is the newer version of my dads Stihl. I don't know if mine was any more expensive than his. They work differently, mine needs to run at a much higher RPM to be in the power band than his, but apparently, it's much less polluting. They've now brought out new regs and the saw has changed again. Does my dad still use his saw, yes. Do I still use mine, of course. Are we being forced to give them up and ordered to buy the newer better versions, no, not even here in the socialist north. Regs are always going to change, that's a good thing, we keep buying and using these tools and competition in the market largely takes care of price increases fairly quickly.
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #18  
I'm all for clean air, but I really despise the mindset of some tree huggers.

Let's presume for a moment that the 2000 deaths figure is true. So what? We can't keep going around spending more per person to extend their lives a few years than they produced for society in their whole lives.

Usually it is the same type of people that want safety regs too. The same type that have driven fuel mileage and pollution in the wrong direction via increased vehicle weights. Everyone saved is another car on the road. You can knock another ten percent off of maximum pollutants allowed, but now you're just ensuring that our population doubles that much sooner, leading to more pollution. Besides, thanks to all the technologies we have come up with - that have increased pollution - I imagine we are already up way more than 2000 heads from where we otherwise would be. I mean what would the world's population be without the industrial revolutions around the world? The only way to have zero deaths from pollution is to have a pre-industry population.
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #19  
Maybe those guys that go around cutting off catalytic converters are just trying to liberate the vehicles from emissions tyranny. :laughing:
 
   / Environmentalists won't quit until we are walking and have no vehicles #20  
Gee, now people who give a damned about the environment are only in it for the money. Same thing for us morons who used to go down our streets picking up the trash thrown out the car windows. We must have made a lot volunteering to clean things up. This mindset that people do things for one reason, money, is counter productive. Perhaps that is your sole motivation, but I can assure you it is not the only motivating factor out there. Some of us like being able to catch fish, and better yet, eat the fish we catch. Try doing that in the Androscoggin river 20 years ago. But the evil EPA required the mills and people who lived on the river to stop dumpping their crap in the river, which cost everyone involved money. If you ask me it was well spent.

I do not advocate or want to go back to othe stone age were emissions are concerned, that is the all or nothing argument which holds about as much water as a strainer, but I do enjoy cleaner air. I'm only 50 and I can recall easily how nasty things were when we were in Boston when I was a kid, and when I lived in Philly and Houston during the early eighties I couldn't beleive how nasty the air was, especially in Houston.

Do I want to see the cost of cars go up massively to reduce particulate emissions by a small amount? Heck no!!! But we certainly will never reduice emissions if we do not try, and a corporation will never try if it costs money, so they have to be forced to do so. Why would they try, it costs money, and a corporation is designed and built to make money, as it should be. Many of us live in the country because we love clean air, rivers we can fish and land we can hunt on. Most of us would not even consider dumping our garbage in the woods or on the roadside, so I don't understand why there is this aversion to having clean air when it fits in nicely with the lifestyle we love.
 

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